Tony Croft aka hamadryad

well to be honest the wholle yank thing is just a wind up, on a serious note there is now considerable evidence that the native americans were indeed VERY capable foresters. In a talk i heard Dr lee klinger mention something about shells as fertiliser 300 miles inland on a archeo dig amoungst other stuff.

It is a cracking country, they seem to have a good sytem too.

the history america hasnt got!

i would love to go back to the outskirts of gotenburg, though my ex has moved further north now, near mountains, might go over for a visit next year, her mums half sammi, lovely country, even lovlier folk and just the very essence of nature wherever you go, awsome, i should never have come home, and should have gone with her while I had oportunity! but I just love our ancients too much.

Monkey magic! but wheres pigsey? Some of those coronets youve been doing are VERY impressive, this is without doubt the best thread ive read in here so far. Some REALLY daft replies, or rather narrow minded blinkered points of view, but then it is a discussion and your always going to get a few "knockers" i also think that a great many of you make assumptions on the wants of your clients, i myself have proven time and time again, if you suggest options, give people the information and justification youll very often be pleasantly suprised at the "general publics" view of such practices. just two weeks ago, we went to fell a chestnut thats past its best, it had a VERY larg colony of bees during the summer. My boss was arguing with me that client would not have it, reality was he hadnt given them the oportunity, I am glad to say, i managed to convince them to have a pollard and so these bees will hopefully survive, though unfortunate that my bosses father had gone their to pour a gallon of petrol down the hole to "make our lives more comfortable!" the justification was that I wouldnt have like operating the tree with them around me! it was freezing mid winter and i would have took a beating off them anyway, cos i am passionate about reducing my ecological impact. my point is that the client is more willing than you all give them credit for, EVERYONE sympathises with nature, you just have to give them your knowledge. long live "inclusional arboriculture" and the corenet cut, for it symbolises a movement, that I will encourage with all my heart and soul.

Yes we are impatient, because there is a MASSIVE void in the micro/niche habitat of the most diverse group of organisms in the woodland environment. We made this happen, and its OUR responsibility to rectify the damage.

Thats an interesting thought, good post!

Bingo, thanks for this post, i knew it! I bloody love this site!

cos when it comes to all things arb Britain rules, simples, No? check the history!

nah, cant understand them, maybe sweden, love it there

I have seen plenty of cases where Honey, has decayed the inner core as a saprophyte over a period of maybe decades, and only in late stages as the usualy ornamental tree wains does it go into "typical" cambium killer mode. the latest latest research is progress, but not a full understanding. studying dead material in a lab is no subsitute for real world scenarios.

50 to 100 acres of 400+ year old ancient mixed broadleaf of oak ash and beech with a stream runing through a slight hill to build into, that suits me!

when you break it down, yes. but i am also saying that he was aware of the effects fungi had too, hence seperation of butts from cattle damge and consequent fungal colonisation and damge. also that, if pollarding is so bad, how come in nature it is as natural a proscess as you can get. that these vets often go on for longer than any virgin maiden. that the effect of decay and dysfunction can lead to a re juvenation of a tree from certain decreptitude etc etc etc that many many moons ago, it was clear open grown pollards for cattle fodder or tools also grew desirable, food medicinal and other fungi. usefull by products would not have been overlooked nor under utilised.

I laughed so hard a bit of wee came out!

I think, as with MOST of the principle decay fungi a lot of work needs to be done, not only to allow the tree to be saved as and when possible but also to allow fungi as much right to exist as any other organism. Wether a fungi is a pathogen is still in debate, facultive might be more appropriate, but what do i know?

been wanting a tree boat for years, be perfect for my weekenders in the parks and woods, they aint cheap folks but i reckon worth it.

Nw for gods sake can we get back on form! heres another SELF pollard, ASSISTED buy decay. a lack of TOTAL failure due to cavity formation probably by a pholiotta, possibly Aurivella, to be confirmed. capitalisation NOT to be patronising but for EMPHASIS! LOL:001_tt2:

amen brother.

BUT it would be better if we stuck to the subject matter! i dont mind peoples opinions dissagreeing with mine, christ thats a good thing cos you get a broader perspective and gradualy over time if you get enough people saying the same things you can adjust your own views in retrospect. God dont ever stop telling when you think i am wrong! lol but do give me some credit, cos I tell you now i can and will hold LEVEL ground with ANYONE on here! I DO admit to having a big personality, but in a good way a youll see in time!

argh but they get legal aid!

The guys that ground for me a pretty darn good at judgment and taking the shock out of the snatch, they tend to use almost the full drop to take out 90 % of the force, i rarely even notice its that smooth, but when in doubt i always warn its going to be a heavy one, and they KNOW it really will be if i say so! communication is often the weakest link in the chain between ground and air.

and a weeks vacation fishing with the old man as we do everyyear covers the "vacate part"

not nessesarily give up, but work out pretty quickly that A) pepole will ALWAYS take you OFF topic. B) will try to put you off take you down and generaly give you a hard time cos you came in and stepped on the big boys toes. C) realise that to many your opinion may seem big headed arrogant and ego, or just stupid so feel a waste of your time when you could be heads down in a book being far more constructive. This WAS a good thread, i WAS hoping to have a sensibnle discussion on the validity and progression of pollarding not only as a techinque but to find out if anyone else like me had views that SOME of the old foresters over 200 years ago had a deep and profound observational knowledge, and knew their job better than SOME of the academics do today. i am avaliable to anyone on a pm. Skyhucks a big boy, and has a certain "style" but I am sure we will learn to love eachother! EVENTUALY, lol and while I have your atention sky, best i buy you a pint at a show some time and find out what the REAL us is all about, you might be suprised! the tree community is too small as it is, what use is antagonism, and futile chest puffing we should unite, rather than seek out cause for division. "i only came here seeking knowledge, things they would not teach me of in collage" (sting)

I think with or without a lockjack we all have a similar case of arse thump that made others laugh! I know how much that can hurt! ego as well as backside!

thats it game over, thats the one, you cant top that!