Dean Lofthouse

I think you've found a referencing system that might work Husqvarna. Even I would easily remember that one

I don't understand plain English David, you'll have to be a bit more specific, Genus, Species, sub species ??

There you go you see what a nightmare I'm having!!

Why, are Arborists all Latin or something

If we can get High definition images onto our LCD displays through thin air using just a number 0 and 1 and it all fits together with no mistakes. I'm sure we can come up with a shorter word to replace the long winded "Hippocastanaceae" Every language has abbreviations Doohhh, there we go again, it's creeping in everywhere "abbreviation" from Latin "brevis" meaning short :001_tongue:

I hope your going to clean that mess up after you.

My system was only an example of how simplistic it could be made, more errors can occur in an old system. So is toilet graffiti

That would only happen if you had two similar species side by side

Can be thought about the other way round too, what if our phone numbers were words not letters. mine would be: zerosevenninesevenzerofivesixfiveninefivenine Starting to look a bit latin now isn't it? They would have to be referenced but we do that anyway

Tony, your beginning to sound like the Storeman at the Huddersfield Landrover Centre. Ask for a part there and he starts thumbing through the card system on the end of the counter, crosses out 5 in stock and put puts a 4 where the 5 was . Works well for him too, but he's about 90

You should be able to carry out a 50% reduction off ladders anyway. Sorry couldn't help it

Thats my exact point, the system to be fully universal and understandable to ALL. So do you all know every Family, Genus, Species, sub species, variety, forma and cultivar off the top of your head ??? Of course you dont, you have to reference books, so why not have a reference system made of simple letteres and numbers similar to your H5N1 virus and just have a family or genus ie Prunus H5N1 or even just PH5N1 instead of peeing about wasting ink typing long winded illegable names out.

Nuggsy, some of us oldies on here don't do or understand that text stuff m8 it wud b gr8 if u wud post in ful m8

My first car was a Daf 33

So you are basically saying Botanical names are infallable and accurate to the degree they cannot be mistaken and that there is no other more simplistic and understandable referencing system that will work. I hope I'm wrong, but thats the sort of attitude there was to the computer filing system. It's accuracy and speed became apparent when comparing the system to the Ripper investigation filing system.

First two words copy and pasted from post #17 of this thread. The reason I copied and pasted ??? Because it would have taken me half an hour to type such a long winded name out So Nuggsy, get your damb spelling right man

To change something is quite easy Tony, it's the resistence to change that is hard to change. Mr Mctree has just been round to give me a lesson in Latin, to no avail I might add. I will never forget the time a client asked me what this certain tree was, I reeled it straight off, Acer pseudoplatimus brilliantissimum I replyed. He looked at me with disgust on his face as though I had just called him a "right thick plank" . I felt the same way, I had justed insulted a clients intelligence. Like you say Tony, you can adjust the way you talk dependant on whom your talking to, but why should that be. To me, Acer pseudoplatimus brilliantissimum is such a gobfull and a total uneccessary use of letters of the alphabet, what a long winded way of going about things?? I'm not saying we should just use binary code to ID things but we should be able to talk in a language that everybody universally understands, including your typical householder. Change will happen Tony, we will in 200 years or so all be talking the same language universally anyway, it is too inefficient for us not to within a global community. But for now, at least you understand what I am getting at

Sounds like a funny handshake club to me Tony, that's how us lowly tree climbers might see it

Latin, Spanish, Greek or Hurdu, I don't care where it originated from, it's complex and irritatingly hard to learn. It's easier to learn a language. I would like to see myself more a pioneer of newer and more modern thinking rather than a Philistine or "Heathen" My argument is: Why make it complex and difficult to master. Why not make referencing trees easy, it seems ludicrous to me that we can sent digital images and voice into space and back in milliseconds using just a code that consists of a letter zero and a letter one. The binary code has transformed modern living with something so simple. WTF do we continue to use ancient and foreign language to describe things. I mean, imagine walking into a garden, "Right madam, we're here to deadwood your Quercus Robur, where is it? It's an english oak, the least you can do is describe it in english. There will be a very simple way to reference any Tree Shrub or Flower that would be universally understandable and would not put silly, nonsensical pressure upon students to learn such an outdated system of referencing. I personally think it's bullshit that tutors take great pleasure in torturing their students with. To sum up, there is always an easier and probably more accurate way, it's just that some traditionalists (if thats the term) choose not to embrace a more modern approach. I mean, an easy system that even a layperson could understand, we wouldn't look half as clever would we?

Ok if your a tree officer or Consultant. All my work is domestic work and I have not once needed to quote a latin name. You start quoting latin names to customers who ask you what a tree is and they will take it as you are calling them stupid. The only time I use scientific names is for ordering from the nursery and for planning applications. I have absolutely no desire to learn latin names, over the years I have naturally taken them in obviously because of the job. But for a college student, it must be one of the things they most dread. Surely we can give modern names to species and genus without using an ancient text. It's a bit like keeping ugly, inefficient buildings because they have some historic value. Times move on and so should we. What pee's me off is they will give latin names to newly discovered plants I go out of my way to study trees but just cannot be arsed with latin, sorry if it sounds a bit old school but to me someone schpeeling off latin to a domestic customer who hasn't a clue reminds me of someone who is trying to keep up with the jones's (aren't I clever) jobby. Doesn't make someone any better at the job, one might be able to reel all the latin names off but be a complete dick at the practical side of things

Nah David, that sounds too Latin for my liking. When I get some time, god knows when that will be, I'll try and do some fracture tests

Cheers Mate

Bloody hell, sorry to hear that Foord. Wish him well from Arbtalk mate.

Tell the paint on my bumper that!

David, I think your coro's would look much better with longer tears, they look too short and manufactured. I was going to get some different sized branches an load them till they went to get a better idea of how they should look for the coro's. They more often than not, i would imagine, have a slight barber chair with a nice tear on the downward side. Just a thought Mr Piccaso