Rob D

You can buy it here - yes it's expensive but it is also very very good! https://www.chainsawbars.co.uk/product/3614-stihl-pmx-ripping-chain-38-lo-pro-050-copy/ - use it with the GB Lo Pro Bars..

Haha I wondered who that was! Yep at the moment unless you are sort of 'in' to Bitcoin it won't be worth your while going through the process. Really it's more for people who struggle to have a bank account - folk in say for example Africa and other far flung places really struggle to get the money over to us. They have to use very expensive services and it is a pain for us to then go and collect it and bank it. So you're right at this stage it's not for you - but I reckon around 3 years time it will be more common place and you'll find that maybe even in your Lloyds account you will have a place to keep crypto currency. I love the ethos behind it all - a big two fingered salute to the banks after the rip offs they did in 2008 - they will never be able to control this and it takes away power from banks and government and puts it back in the hands of you and me.

Virtual currency does the opposite though Dan - instead of adding another layer to purchasing it removes all layers. Paypal and the like seem slick and easy to use because the interface between you and paypal has been made easy. Behind taking payments the system is complicated and as a seller using paypal to accept card payments you get to see the massive top heavy infrastructure behind it all. With Alt coins I can pay you wherever you are in the world with no intermediary and the transfer is instant. Direct from me to you. Initially it will seem clumsier because you will want to turn that bitcoin into £ to use elsewhere. Also the technique at the moment is still clumsy but these are the very early days. In the end you will just keep the bitcoin as bitcoin and use it elsewhere. Or whatever currency that is your preference. It will be accepted worldwide. Going abroad? No need to change your currency. Need to pay someone in Mozambique? Easy as paying someone down the road.

Time to step into the future. The future is unlikely to be Bitcoin same as when cars came out no one is now driving a Karl Benz! But it's the first one and the one most people have heard of it. When cars first started appearing no doubt people didn't trust them, most said they will not last, they were slow and unreliabel ... now look at the roads and the choice we have! I believe this will happen with currency - at the moment it may seem faddy, a scam (and some are!), and you don't really understand it. But in the end similar to the internet - there was a time before the internet and there is now a time with the internet. Crypto currency will not just change but revolutionsie how we live and pay for things in the next 5 years possibly and within the next 10 years certainly. Anyways you can now pay with bitcoin on CSB.

Well in the (nearish) future we will be looking at moving on our websites... so if anyone fancies an arb related e commerce style business then get in touch. I'd like to focus more on product development and distribution in the future so the e commerce sites will be packaged up and sold. www.alaskanmill.co.uk will be the cheapest followed by www.sugiharabarsuk.co.uk and then the main flagship www.chainsawbars.co.uk will be next (and that won't be so cheap We would still be suppliers to these websites so in our interest to encourage them to continue to be successful.

Yep no prob give us an e-mail on [email protected] and we could set you up pretty easily as a dealer over there.

Yep should be good

We are starting to push into new territory with the Panther mills. This is a vid of where we are looking to go. You make x3 to x4 cuts without removing the mill from the log. This means coming back down the log on the pushing side of the bar... not been done before I don't think! It actually worked very well - the only issue is to stop the chainsaw bouncing around on the deeper cut... Also we have a vertical version that will run on the same rails. The rails in this vid are the widended rails needed to support the longer 60" mill.. We have Panther 36" mills for sale - the other versions are currently out of stock for a bit https://www.chainsawbars.co.uk/product-category/panther-chainsaw-mills/

Just watched the vid what a neat looking job - great the way they rigged the first one down and out

Sorry only just seen the reply Tony - where you thinking?

It's not ideal, it's not best practice but it's also not that bad either...

Surely shows must earn good money for the organisers - for instance - you get most of your money 3 to 4 months in advance of the show right? How many businesses get that? If the weather is bad and sales are down - your income is only changed a small amount by a drop in visitor numbers.

Let me give you an example as to why I'll never do the CONFOR show again - we shared a stand with Loglogic - they are designing and building the new Panther mills. To have both out contact details on the programme they wanted an extra £135-00+vat!? Just to have another phone number on there.... crazy! That sums up the organisers attitude in my mind - there is no feel good factor, no one for all all for one feeling - sad but true. 5 years ago at the same show they made a right hash of delivering logs to the stand... I said I'd never do it again then!

Yep it is easy to critise without offering some ideas - hence it would good to see the actual figures from these shows as to what the net profit is after costs... I expect the arguement would be if no entry fee was charged then more of the public would come in for a mooch about... but is that a bad thing? Some of them may buy a few bits and pieces or learn something new that leads to better awareness of the industry. Pete it's been a long long time since I went to a show with 'vibrancy' and that's my point (the AA show was supposed to be good this year though apparently) - they need to bring in fresh blood fresh ideas and stop the box ticking IMO.

Could be wrong in all this mind you - does anyone know where you can look at CONFOR accounts or get a break down of show costs/show income? Google does not seem to have much...

Not sure - I was more just looking at how a show is written up afterwards... each and everytime it is always a success! But to have 150 exhibitors and 2000 visitors is just crazy - you see all that gear and equipment set up with no one there to really look at it... There is probably only the numbers for one arb/forestry show in the UK each year IMO. It would be good just to see a fresh approach to shows and fresh objectives - at the moment this sort of show appears to be a money making exercise to keep the coffers topped up until the APF next year. Why not target foresters and arb companies and offer them free entry and free burger and beer or similar? Rather than charging for entry? Issue tickets out to this effect and at least start to get the numbers up..

It was good to launch the Panther mills at the CONFOR show but have to say I don't see how a show like this is sustainable with a high cost to exhibit and such a low turnout of visitors. Thursday was less than quiet, Friday was very quiet. No one seems to 'say it like it is' with organisers afterwards congratulating themselves on yet another good event. You can only assume there must be good money on holding a show like this - but precious little in attending it. I spoke to a lot of the other exhibitors their are sentiment was the same - there ain't no one here!

Yep you'll be fine to do that - I did it before we had the other custom rims made.

I think you'll like how the lo pro PMX Stihl chain cuts

Was that from us? Did you get the lo pro chain drive rim that fits on a ST internal spline? From research and experience: You can drive 3/8 lo pro and 3/8 standard off a standard 3/8 drive rim and not really too much of an issue You cannot drive a 3/8 lo pro chain off a 3/8 standard SPUR style sprocket You cannot drive a 3/8 standard chain off a 3/8 lo pro drive rim Hope that answers... The Stihl PMX ripping chain seems to do a grand job of milling and is preferred choice on all bars up to and including 42".

We'll be mainly launching our new Panther mills at the show - in fact it will be the only place you can buy one to start with... CONFOR woodland show - we'll be there - any requests?? http://www.confor.org.uk/about-confor/confor-woodland-show/ New Panther Mills, Extended GB Bar range (at intro sale prices) Join us on ArbTalk, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter & Instagram NEW PRODUCTS First cut systems These are almost completed so those who have bought on a pre order please bear with us a tiny bit longer! New Panther Mills We will be displaying the new Panther chainsaw mills at the CONFOR woodland show 7th and 8th Sept. Our intention is to build the best chainsaw mill out there. They will come as a 36", 42" and 60" version to start with. New Panther Chainsaw Mill 42″ version comes with 42″ GB Lo Pro milling bar + Stihl PMX narrow kerf ripping chain + GB lo pro drive rim + full winch kit. Do the maths and you’ll find this mill is also the best value of any premium chainsaw mill. Ready to go, with minimal build time to start milling. For saws this fits see list at bottom of the right hand column. The Panther chainsaw mill has been designed and built by Loglgoic and is sold in the UK through www.chainsawbars.co.uk. There are a host of other chainsaw mills on the market so why make another? Answer – because it’s better in every possible way when compared to other mills on the market. Designed by chainsaw millers for chainsaw millers Re designed from the ground up – most other chainsaw mills are copied from existing designs – the Panther Mill has been re designed from scratch. Height adjustment is tool less and fast – in fact it is the fastest compared with any other mill on the market. Simply rotate the round handle to adjust how deep the mill will cut. No need to hold a spanner in one hand while trying to adjust the mill with the other. Attachment is the quickest of any chainsaw mill – easily bolt and unbolt your mill to your chainsaw. Attachment to the saw is bolted not clamped – the saw can never slip in the mill. The mill is designed to be used with special GB Lo Pro milling bars which are thinner and narrower than existing chainsaw bars for a faster, cleaner cut. Panther Mills automatically come with a full winch set up to make milling 80% easier than pushing by hand. There is a dedicated Panther First Cut System to ensure your first cut is table top flat. This first cut system can be extended and widened indefinitely. It is the best on the market today. In the long term additional functionality will be built into the Panther Mill that currently does not exist anywhere else – but you’ll have to watch this space to see! Come and see the Panther in action at the South West Woodland Show on 7/ 8th September 2017 > Confor Woodland Show 2017 Fits direct to Stihl saws 065, MS650, MS651 064, MS640, MS641 066, MS660, MS661 Fits with an adapter here > GB912 to Husky saws as below 61, 64, 65, 66, 70, 77, 160, 162 163, 180, 181, 185, 260, 263, 266 268, 272, 280, 281, 285, 288, 298 365, 365XP, 371, 372XP, 380, 385XP 390XP, 394XP, 395XP, 575XP, 576XP 64" Version 64" version comes with 64" GB Lo Pro milling bar + Stihl RCX ripping chain + full winch kit. Do the maths and you'll find this mill is also the best value of any premium chainsaw mill. Ready to go, with minimal build time to start milling. Fits direct to Stihl saws 084, 08, 088, 075, 076, 070, 090, MS880 Fits with an adapter here > GB914 to Husky saws as below 3120XP New Range of sprocket nose pro bars from GB now in stock and on sale for a limited period... We've had nothing but good reports on the GB milling bars both lo pro and extra long so we have now increased the range - they already feature in the selectors on CSB website but you can also find them in a long list here. GB bars have been building bars for 40 years. They make a huge range of bars that covers small chainsaws all the way up to enormous double ended bars for chainsaw mills and tough thick bars for harvesters. You will not find better in terms of pedigree and quality. Copyright © 2017 Always Greener Ltd, All rights reserved. Subscribers from Chainsawbars and Sugihara websites Our mailing address is: Always Greener Ltd Brookside Farm Agars Lane, Silver Street Hordle, Hampshire SO41 0FL United Kingdom Add us to your address book Want to change how you receive these emails? You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list

Thanks - it's a tricky one but a rule of thumb - smaller saws seem to gain less benefits from using ripping chain than larger set ups. But even then depends on the wood you mill/how you sharpen/how wide the plank your cutting is/what saw you have etc. etc. Huge amount of variables going on - buld up an amorory of experience is the best way to answer this question - there are so many variables everyone out there will have different opinions and experiences...

What chain size was on that saw? And can you confirm the part numbers for the Oregon chains you used please.