Is there a lack of groundman?

[Timber Man]

Why should there be a regional difference in rates, the works the same and a days a day wherever it is ?

If it is the going rate as people put it, whos going rate is it ? if its the contractor that is making that decision then that's not really how subbying works, a subby puts his price on his labour etc, not the other way round. He also runs the risk of non days, bad weather etc etc that someone on the books doesn't. It doesn't matter how much you like and want to do a job if it doesn't stack up financially its not a job, its down to how much you have to spend in Tescos that matters. £20 a day is £400 a month, not a small amount when you multiply it up.

[swinny]

Why should there be a regional difference in rates, the works the same and a days a day wherever it is ?

If it is the going rate as people put it, whos going rate is it ? if its the contractor that is making that decision then that's not really how subbying works, a subby puts his price on his labour etc, not the other way round. He also runs the risk of non days, bad weather etc etc that someone on the books doesn't. It doesn't matter how much you like and want to do a job if it doesn't stack up financially its not a job, its down to how much you have to spend in Tescos that matters. £20 a day is £400 a month, not a small amount when you multiply it up.

 

Think you need to wake up and read more on here. There is loads of difference regional for prices of everything.

 

Day rates of crews with differet men is vastly different throughout the country.

 

Yes a subbie does set his rates but he sets them according to the market in the area... Price yourself out of work you wont get work.

 

Yes a subbie has to suffer wet days and no pay as does a contractor.

 

Ive worked from the bottom up, been a subbie, worked all over, worked more hours when needed, worked in the pouring rain. Atarted my own company and done all necessary things there.

 

Regional difference matters and a whole other variables. Im probabilly starting to come over in thw wrong light now but its comments like these that really get on my nerves.

 

Are prices different from here and london... Yes

 

Do we need to pay a london wage up here where living is cheaper ... No

 

(Because london rates dont exist up here )

 

Do the maths

Edited August 8, 2016 by swinny

[swinny]

Everyone has got bills to pay, and I can't see how £70/day pays all the bills, can you?

 

I was talking to my brother last week who employs hundreds of lads many of them in the lower wage bracket £8-10/hour, he was telling me that lots of them are scratching out the last few quid at the end of each month... Not the way I would want to live, would you?

 

So for a young lad in college that does a days work who gets 70.00 a day who lives at home, no board and doesnt have to pay tax as ia a student.... (Even if tey had to pay tax ) 70.00 a day isnt feasible? Come on

 

 

Obvioursly more experianced guys on 90-100 a day called in to do more technical jobs. Where they juat hae to turn up and worry about nothing and work.

 

Also would you pay a brain surgeon to put some stitches into someones arm who has cut it when a normal a&e nurse can do it?

 

Horses for courses

[Timber Man]

Well youre not the only one that has worked all over and from the bottom up, 43 years in fact in my case, and yes I have worked all over and my rate is my rate regardless.

I am from the north, and still work there from time to time, but on my rate.

Perhaps it is you that's wrong, seems to me that if your rate was so attractive then people would be lining up for the work.

It could be a case of put too low a value on good subbies and you don't get them, not the other way round as you put it.

[Pete Mctree]

You get what you pay for. I pay well enough & they turn up on time, every time & work hard for there money. They can help out with the trimming jobs, work the rigging efficiently, fell, spot on a critical crown reduction & contribute towards the job on many levels

The extra spent pays dividends in the longterm, sometimes you overpay them to drag brash & sometimes you underpay them to work late on a technical job. If you portray your business, as a bloke who climbs a bit, with a brash dragging monkey, who works for a few quid cash on top of his giro, then so be it.

[swinny]

Well youre not the only one that has worked all over and from the bottom up, 43 years in fact in my case, and yes I have worked all over and my rate is my rate regardless.

I am from the north, and still work there from time to time, but on my rate.

Perhaps it is you that's wrong, seems to me that if your rate was so attractive then people would be lining up for the work.

It could be a case of put too low a value on good subbies and you don't get them, not the other way round as you put it.

 

On the contraire, ive recently asked the lads who have worked for me what they think of the situation. It would be regarded that the pay is good for what is required from them within the days work, they have a good time and know i always pay. If we work later i give them more, if its a technical job i pay more. Some times we finish early.

 

Doesnt seem like im getting anywhere with you pal so lets leave it as that

[Mick Dempsey]

What do you pay them Pete?

[stihlmadasever]

Why should there be a regional difference in rates, the works the same and a days a day wherever it is ?

If it is the going rate as people put it, whos going rate is it ? if its the contractor that is making that decision then that's not really how subbying works, a subby puts his price on his labour etc, not the other way round. He also runs the risk of non days, bad weather etc etc that someone on the books doesn't. It doesn't matter how much you like and want to do a job if it doesn't stack up financially its not a job, its down to how much you have to spend in Tescos that matters. £20 a day is £400 a month, not a small amount when you multiply it up.

 

Simple answer-cost of living varies region to region.

Cost of living in london is higher than for example leeds,so companies/subbies/workers expect/charge more for those areas.

I can get 100 quid a day sub contract climbing in Glasgow area,thats all my own kit/PPE/fuel.

Transfere that to the south of england i could get 150.

[Pete Mctree]

£120 - £140 Mick

[Mick Dempsey]

Very good money.

 

Thanks Pete.