Making the news today....

[Mick Dempsey]

1 hour ago, Mull said:

Belgium 2-0 England

Saw it (between dozing) if I was Belgian I’d be gutted to have missed out on the final, a class outfit.

 

we’re not in the same league.

Edited July 14, 2018 by Mick Dempsey

[eggsarascal]

4 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

It’s the quality of the material that’s available to work with at the moment Ti ?

 

Of course (at least in part) tongue in cheek (not sure that’s appropriate after Vesp’s vid link) and in part overly simplistic, but entirely expected that some indignant outrage would ensue and similarly entirely expected that some members would ‘read between the lines’ and see that, from the sarcasm, comes some absolute sense.  The exquisite irony being the mock outrage which emirates from those most likely to claim the absolute right to free speech (so long as it doesn’t poke fun, challenge or reject their predetermined view of the world) - strangely, not entirely dissimilar to Islam....

Is that the same free speech that the 'Right' talk about, until some people want to fly a balloon over London? It works both ways, ya know.

[forestboy1978]

12 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

Is that the same free speech that the 'Right' talk about, until some people want to fly a balloon over London? It works both ways, ya know.

Does it hell. People on the right still think it's perfectly within anyone's right to fly a balloon, we just see it as bad taste and not very politically prudent or constructive. We're not running around universities curtailing controversial, yet edifying speech of anyone we disagree with or bringing in laws compelling people to speak a certain way against their own volition. It actually doesn't swing both ways at all. 

 

"It" swinging both ways couldn't be further from the truth!

Edited July 15, 2018 by forestboy1978

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

The balloon thing.....

 

Pretty poor form, not very ‘British’ old boy (kind of funny nonetheless!)

 

So, the precedent is now set, let the ‘freedoms’ flow I say. Should be some fun times ahead. 

 

I’m just somewhat bewildered that such moral outrage is generated (and no doubt genuinely felt in certain quarters) against the President of the USA rather than directing all that obvious passion and energy into causes (countries) that have so much more to be ‘fixed.’

 

But, like fox hunting really, there are far greater issues within animal welfare that deserve attention - and would reap much greater benefits - but the majority of the protest effort is directed entirely in a ‘less wrong’ direction than where it is most needed. 

 

The common predominant factor in both examples is a sort of ‘class’ protest which undermines both causes (IMHO)

Edited July 15, 2018 by kevinjohnsonmbe

[eggsarascal]

23 minutes ago, forestboy1978 said:

Does it hell. People on the right still think it's perfectly within anyone's right to fly a balloon, we just see it as bad taste and not very politically prudent or constructive. We're not running around universities curtailing controversial, yet edifying speech of anyone we disagree with or bringing in laws compelling people to speak a certain way against their own volition. It actually doesn't swing both ways at all. 

 

"It" swinging both ways couldn't be further from the truth!

They don't like it up 'em, do they.

[eggsarascal]

13 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

The balloon thing.....

 

Pretty poor form, not very ‘British’ old boy (kind of funny nonetheless!)

 

So, the precedent is now set, let the ‘freedoms’ flow I say. Should be some fun times ahead. 

 

I’m just somewhat bewildered that such moral outrage is generated (and no doubt genuinely felt in certain quarters) against the President of the USA rather than directing all that obvious passion and energy into causes (countries) that have so much more to be ‘fixed.’

 

But, like fox hunting really, there are far greater issues within animal welfare that deserve attention - and would reap much greater benefits - but the majority of the protest effort is directed entirely in a ‘less wrong’ direction than where it is most needed. 

 

The commin predominant factor in both examples is a sort of ‘class’ protest which undermines both causes (IMHO)

Yes, the balloon was crass, and freedom of speech is the way forward, imo.

 

My point is, you're (that's the royal you're) going to get it back.

 

Like I said, it works both ways, even if forestboy1978 doesn't like it.

 

 

[Haironyourchest]

35 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

 

 it's a one way street in leftist controlled places  https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/07/14/police-khans-london-ban-pro-trump-rally-u-s-em

Edited July 15, 2018 by Haironyourchest

[forestboy1978]

41 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

Yes, the balloon was crass, and freedom of speech is the way forward, imo.

 

My point is, you're (that's the royal you're) going to get it back.

 

Like I said, it works both ways, even if forestboy1978 doesn't like it.

 

 

I don't dislike it at all. I actually want them to show themselves for the absolute raving lunatics they are. 

 

It is not a 2 way street. It's one rule for everyone centre and right of centre and no rules for the left. Their hypocrisy is staggering. 

[Mark J]

6 minutes ago, forestboy1978 said:

I don't dislike it at all. I actually want them to show themselves for the absolute raving lunatics they are. 

 

It is not a 2 way street. It's one rule for everyone centre and right of centre and no rules for the left. Their hypocrisy is staggering. 

Feeling that anyone who doesn't share your ideology are "absolute raving lunatics", doesn't set a good platform for useful dialogue.

 

Edited July 15, 2018 by Mark J

[forestboy1978]

1 minute ago, Mark J said:

Feeling that anyone who doesn't share your opinion are absolute raving lunatics, doesn't set a good platform for useful dialogue.

Not at all. You're taking a flippant general comment and magnifying its specificity to gain some kind of moral high ground.