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[kevinjohnsonmbe]

18 minutes ago, Mark J said:

I don't see anyone standing up for the incumbent shitshower

In part, to the previous outstanding response and in part to this Mark, purely my take on it but:

 

(a) little point wasting time / energy attempting to counter the misguided, jubilant celebration of the ardent anti Tory contributors who, appear, rather than to recognise that Current difficulties are indicative of the complexities of the situation and would similarly impact upon either of the 2 main parties, instead, choosing to make the circumstances fit a predetermined personal political persuasion whilst the opportunity exists. 

 

(b) Seriously - does anyone think Labour wouldn’t have made an even bigger hash of it? It’s almost like a mirror imagine with Corbyn as a life long anti EU (but strangely attracted to some of the socialist nationalisation concepts), the PLP broadly in favour of ditching Brexit and large swathes of the Labour voting public in favour of Brexit - not to mention a shadow cabinet of chimps, radicals and idiots. 

 

(c) whilst there is little to celebrate in the output of the government to date regarding Brexit, I for 1 am relieved that, as a small consolation, it’s not being administered by Labour. The phrase “careful what you wish for” comes to mind!!

 

(d) Farage has stated that he will consider standing for UKIP leadership again if this farce continues. Maybe therein lies the solution - or Tory MPs jump ship to UKIP so as to galvanise the government into decisive action. 

 

Theres no point trying to counter the misguided jubilation of Tory haters whilst there is nothing tangible to counter it with, better just to let it slide and recognise that whilst not the finest hour for British politics, it would be a whole lot worse under Labour ??

[Mark J]

37 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

In part, to the previous outstanding response and in part to this Mark, purely my take on it but:

 

(a) little point wasting time / energy attempting to counter the misguided, jubilant celebration of the ardent anti Tory contributors who, appear, rather than to recognise that Current difficulties are indicative of the complexities of the situation and would similarly impact upon either of the 2 main parties, instead, choosing to make the circumstances fit a predetermined personal political persuasion whilst the opportunity exists. 

 

(b) Seriously - does anyone think Labour wouldn’t have made an even bigger hash of it? It’s almost like a mirror imagine with Corbyn as a life long anti EU (but strangely attracted to some of the socialist nationalisation concepts), the PLP broadly in favour of ditching Brexit and large swathes of the Labour voting public in favour of Brexit - not to mention a shadow cabinet of chimps, radicals and idiots. 

 

(c) whilst there is little to celebrate in the output of the government to date regarding Brexit, I for 1 am relieved that, as a small consolation, it’s not being administered by Labour. The phrase “careful what you wish for” comes to mind!!

 

(d) Farage has stated that he will consider standing for UKIP leadership again if this farce continues. Maybe therein lies the solution - or Tory MPs jump ship to UKIP so as to galvanise the government into decisive action. 

 

Theres no point trying to counter the misguided jubilation of Tory haters whilst there is nothing tangible to counter it with, better just to let it slide and recognise that whilst not the finest hour for British politics, it would be a whole lot worse under Labour ??

a) Spot on.

b) I genuinely believe that Labour would make less of a hash of it.

c) Why are you so anti Labour?

d) Farage has never been an MP.  He's not really that good.

 

There's no point engaging people if they won't talk.

 

 

[westphalian]

Can only speak for myself, have been life long Labour but will not vote for corbyn for reasons so obvious no need to define

[ostosix]

I think there would be no brexit under labour. There whole party are just only interested in spouting ultra left progressive rubbish about diversity and LGBT and seem to care nothing anything even moderatly nationalist. I'm aware the tories destroy everything by selling it off or austerity-ing the sh%^ out of it, but i wont vote JC not because of him but his MP's. 

As far this brexit, I thought boris's resignation letter spelled it out well(even though a lot was wrong), too much self loathing. Its dreadful, i can't imagine what it would be like in tough times like world war etc Where have all the leaders in the country gone?I'm hopeful Farage comes back or Mogg takes over the tories. I probably will abstain next time. 

 

 Hope fully the footy going well will make them be a bit more 'we can do it'

[eggsarascal]

3 minutes ago, ostosix said:

I think there would be no brexit under labour. There whole party are just only interested in spouting ultra left progressive rubbish about diversity and LGBT and seem to care nothing anything even moderatly nationalist. I'm aware the tories destroy everything by selling it off or austerity-ing the sh%^ out of it, but i wont vote JC not because of him but his MP's. 

As far this brexit, I thought boris's resignation letter spelled it out well(even though a lot was wrong), too much self loathing. Its dreadful, i can't imagine what it would be like in tough times like world war etc Where have all the leaders in the country gone?I'm hopeful Farage comes back or Mogg takes over the tories. I probably will abstain next time. 

 

 Hope fully the footy going well will make them be a bit more 'we can do it'

Ain't it a sad affair?

[ostosix]

eggsarascal, do you ever watch Jordan Petersen on youtube? I have great hopes this horrible moment were in will end with good sensed people speaking out. He's awesome

[eggsarascal]

13 minutes ago, ostosix said:

eggsarascal, do you ever watch Jordan Petersen on youtube? I have great hopes this horrible moment were in will end with good sensed people speaking out. He's awesome

 

[Haironyourchest]

31 minutes ago, ostosix said:

eggsarascal, do you ever watch Jordan Petersen on youtube? I have great hopes this horrible moment were in will end with good sensed people speaking out. He's awesome

Yeah Jordan Peterson FTW. He's coming to Dubs then UK soon.

[eggsarascal]

23 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

 

 

38 minutes ago, ostosix said:

eggsarascal, do you ever watch Jordan Petersen on youtube? I have great hopes this horrible moment were in will end with good sensed people speaking out. He's awesome

No, I think he's a bit of a Wanga to be fair. Anyone that quotes the bible, and believes it needs a good looking at, imo. 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

4 hours ago, Mark J said:

a) Spot on.

b) I genuinely believe that Labour would make less of a hash of it.

c) Why are you so anti Labour?

d) Farage has never been an MP.  He's not really that good.

 

There's no point engaging people if they won't talk.

 

 

(B) we’ll have to agree to disagree. 

(C) it’s quite a long and complex story starting in my late teens which I’d gladly share with you over a beer but not on here. In many traditional respects, I “should” be an enthusiastic Labour voter, that I am so ardently NOT is more a reflection of the state of the Labour Party than it is of me. They have nothing to offer me and I have a loathing of much of what current Labour stands for. 

(D) acknowledging that Farage has never been an MP, he has personally, and against all the establishment odds, had a more notable effect on UK politics than any recent or current individual MP (granted some may consider his contribution positive, others not so.) I stand by my Knighthood recommendation for Farage! UKIP lost its way without him at the helm, but I rather doubt anyone would argue that it was pressure from UKIP which delivered the neverendum. Perhaps a revitalised UKIP would similarly galvanise the UK ‘unrepreseted’ (and I think there are a lot within former Labour heartlands?

Edited July 10, 2018 by kevinjohnsonmbe