Making the news today....

[tree-fancier123]

however, even though the Our World In Data checks out - agreeing with johnsond's search screenshot figure of 50.8% UK electricity from renewables (in that year) BOTH sources are wrong. Why? Because they include biomass in renewables. What a con that is. Can't see how we get 7% credit to our renewables target for shipping in wood and burning it. Burning trees is an impatient way of burning oil - both release carbon dioxide to form an insulating layer in the upper atmosphere.

• Carbon Payback Period: 

  It takes a long time for new trees to grow and reabsorb the carbon emitted from burning older trees. This means that burning biomass can contribute to warming for decades or even centuries before a "payback" occurs. 

[Johnsond]

18 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

however, even though the Our World In Data checks out - agreeing with johnsond's search screenshot figure of 50.8% UK electricity from renewables (in that year) BOTH sources are wrong. Why? Because they include biomass in renewables. What a con that is. Can't see how we get 7% credit to our renewables target for shipping in wood and burning it. Burning trees is an impatient way of burning oil - both release carbon dioxide to form an insulating layer in the upper atmosphere.

• Carbon Payback Period: 

  It takes a long time for new trees to grow and reabsorb the carbon emitted from burning older trees. This means that burning biomass can contribute to warming for decades or even centuries before a "payback" occurs. 

The whole renewables game is a cash cow for predominantly foreign based companies, I agree with the biomass comment, I’ve mentioned it on more than one occasion. 

[BillQ]

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

Grooming gang victim quits inquiry panel over ‘condescending language towards survivors’

APPLE.NEWS

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Fiona Goddard, who was abused by a gang in Bradford as a child, resigned citing concerns over political...

A trait of the left you see all too often. 

You're cherry picking again. 

[Youngstu]

22 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Fantasy vs Reality 

Delivered half way around the world by one of the worlds biggest polluters 😂😂😂😂🤷‍♂️

If they were to do the manufacturing of these in the UK, as opposed to the far east, where would the raw materials have to come from? (considering our reduced amount of steel making facilities, and the economics of increasing domestic extraction)

[Johnsond]

If they were to do the manufacturing of these in the UK, as opposed to the far east, where would the raw materials have to come from? (considering our reduced amount of steel making facilities, and the economics of increasing domestic extraction 

 

 

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

You’ve answered part of your own question for starters. Extraction of ?? 

Edited October 20 by Johnsond

[Stubby]

9 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Extraction ?? 

Yep . You fell the steel girders and then extract them with a forwarder 😀

[Youngstu]

20 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

If they were to do the manufacturing of these in the UK, as opposed to the far east, where would the raw materials have to come from? (considering our reduced amount of steel making facilities, and the economics of increasing domestic extraction 

 

 

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

You’ve answered part of your own question for starters. Extraction of ?? 

So, assuming the economics of extracting domestic raw materials (and tighter environmental laws etc) makes that a non starter (why the mines etc closed?) where would the raw materials for UK manufacturing of this kind of equipment come from? 

Or would we import the steel that's been manufactured elsewhere?(as domestic production of raw steel also appears to be too expensive). 

 

It's not great that we import all of this stuff, and it would be fantastic if we still had enough of the skills, resources and facilities to do it,  but from what I understand they've been let go and without the raw materials it probably makes more sense on time, financial and environmental levels to have them built elsewhere.

 

[Johnsond]

16 minutes ago, Youngstu said:

not great that we import all of this stuff, and it would be fantastic if we still had enough of the skills, resources and facilities to do it,  but from what I understand they've been let go and without the raw materials it probably makes more sense on time, financial and environmental levels to have them built elsewhere.

 

Ok just quit then 

[tree-fancier123]

at least a lot of the composite blades for wind turbines are made in UK

[sime42]

47 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Ok just quit then 

 

If you're happy to just quit then stop whining about it all the time.