Making the news today....

[Johnsond]

15 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

This is true, however telling an arborist forum the daily tally isn't going to change a single thing though is it? Winds up a few folk in the morning to improve their day... but nothing we read here will change anything really will it? For that you need to be putting pressure on the politicians, perhaps giving them suggestions for solutions, looking at the issue in depth rather than what the Daily Mail and Farages sound bites allow you to know.

 

I'd be very surprised if there is anyone who reads this thread isn't aware of the issues surrounding migration. So perhaps change the tune, highlight 'making the news today' with something we might not know about - whether it is serious or funny stuff.. but the same story again... and again... and tomorrow as well... Something where I can say to my colleagues "Did you see this" rather than "did you see this" and they push me out the van "Yes, you read that out from the forum yesterday as well, and every day last week, find something interesting to tell us"

“ making the news today “ thread 

🤷‍♂️Not the news what you want I take it ??. You should read that post back to yourself and maybe you will realise the utter stupidity and arrogance of what you just wrote.

What’s happening in the channel should be headline news every night until it’s stopped “ by any means necessary, to hell with the ECHR “Unfortunately it’s become the norm with a hugely profitable tax payer funded industry growing up around it. 

Edited November 4 by Johnsond

[5thelement]

9 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Sweet deal 😳 you think so 

380acres 

£10k an acre up here for good agricultural land plus buildings and assets etc 

 

 

20% rather than 40%,  wouldn’t you take it? So it’s a sweet deal. 
I would expect all the farm debt to be involved in the valuing, so highly likely it would bring the farm under the IHT threshold for a married couple. 
Farms have been struggling for decades and currently are now, this has nothing to do with IHT that may or may not be applied at some point in the future.

Supermarket record profits and cheap imports, (30% of UK food is grown in Spain) is what is keeping farmers poor right now. 

[doobin]

37 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Sweet deal 😳 you think so 

380acres 

£10k an acre up here for good agricultural land plus buildings and assets etc 

 

 

How much of that uplift is due to the IHT benefits though? If we had less Dysons and Clarksons buying for the IHT relief prices might drop to a level whereby a return could be made from actual farming! And new entrants could get involved without having to be born into it. For every progressive family farm there are three more stuck in the dark ages whinging in my experience.

 

Markets take time to realign and there will be some pain but overall I support this measure. It's still incredibly generous compared to IHT charged on other assets. Don't forget the 100% relief has only applied since 1992, and look how land values have shot up out of kilter with the production abilities of said land since then.

[doobin]

34 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

“ making the news today “ thread 

🤷‍♂️Not the news what you want I take it ??. You should read that post back to yourself and maybe you will realise the utter stupidity and arrogance of what you just wrote.

What’s happening in the channel should be headline news every night until it’s stopped “ by any means necessary, to hell with the ECHR “Unfortunately it’s become the norm with a hugely profitable tax payer funded industry growing up around it. 

Fully agree- the amount being spunked on lawyers and accomodation must be eye watering. I'm at the point now where I really don't give a shit what methods are used.

 

We must be approaching a similar point to Germany in the 1930s. Nobody wants to see that again. Nip it in the bud. I suspect it's far too late for that though.

 

 

[tree-fancier123]

it can actually have a positive if people who were investing in ag land and renting it purely as an IHT shelter become forced sellers it may make it more affordable to buy farmland.

Personally I would favour an increase in VAT in addition to the other tax hikes. No pain, no gain.

The British people should be leading less frivolous lives until there is zero national debt.

Over consumption is what has ruined our finances.

And re immigrants I favour pushback in the channel - if they threaten to throw babies overboard personally I would say thats their choice, but still deny access to our waters.

Of couse not all legal immigration is good either, students bringing family accounted for loads under Tories.

I would have chosen Cambridge educated 'Cruella' Braverman, who wants us out of human rights act

 

 

[Johnsond]

17 minutes ago, doobin said:

How much of that uplift is due to the IHT benefits though? If we had less Dysons and Clarksons buying for the IHT relief prices might drop to a level whereby a return could be made from actual farming! And new entrants could get involved without having to be born into it. For every progressive family farm there are three more stuck in the dark ages whinging in my experience.

 

Markets take time to realign and there will be some pain but overall I support this measure. It's still incredibly generous compared to IHT charged on other assets. Don't forget the 100% relief has only applied since 1992, and look how land values have shot up out of kilter with the production abilities of said land since then.

No idea regarding the uplift 

land in rural Aberdeenshire is from what I’m told very good quality. All I know is the guy is staring  down the barrel of a monster bill or give up. The rented part he was ok with as its estate land but what had hit him hardest is the recent mid six figure investment in buildings and machinery that was obviously bank funded, that has to be paid back on top of a totally unexpected IHT bill. He has my sympathy as I’ve known the guy since being up here and the hours he puts in are insane. My working week offshore or inshore is in excess of 84hrs so it takes a lot to raise my eyebrows on that front. 
 

[Johnsond]

50 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

20% rather than 40%,  wouldn’t you take it? So it’s a sweet deal. 
I would expect all the farm debt to be involved in the valuing, so highly likely it would bring the farm under the IHT threshold for a married couple. 
Farms have been struggling for decades and currently are now, this has nothing to do with IHT that may or may not be applied at some point in the future.

Supermarket record profits and cheap imports, (30% of UK food is grown in Spain) is what is keeping farmers poor right now. 

My personal view is that IHT should be zero of a working family farm. 
Regarding the rest of the post yeah I’d not disagree with much of that. We buy as much as we can locally and if possible I’ll always take an opportunity to shoot game 🤷‍♂️. But yeah tomatoes, bananas etc etc im a hypocrite in some respects as we all are. 

[doobin]

59 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

No idea regarding the uplift 

land in rural Aberdeenshire is from what I’m told very good quality. All I know is the guy is staring  down the barrel of a monster bill or give up. The rented part he was ok with as its estate land but what had hit him hardest is the recent mid six figure investment in buildings and machinery that was obviously bank funded, that has to be paid back on top of a totally unexpected IHT bill. He has my sympathy as I’ve known the guy since being up here and the hours he puts in are insane. My working week offshore or inshore is in excess of 84hrs so it takes a lot to raise my eyebrows on that front. 
 

So you're saying he's facing an inheritance tax bill despite not owning land?

 

You can draw parallels there with, say, a sucessful groundworks business. All the sucessful groundworks company owners I know have by age sixty all handed over to their sons. Well clear of the 7 year rule, and then enjoy a retirement.

 

Sounds like a succession planning issue, which is a known issue among farmers.

[Johnsond]

12 minutes ago, doobin said:

So you're saying he's facing an inheritance tax bill despite not owning land?

 

You can draw parallels there with, say, a sucessful groundworks business. All the sucessful groundworks company owners I know have by age sixty all handed over to their sons. Well clear of the 7 year rule, and then enjoy a retirement.

 

Sounds like a succession planning issue, which is a known issue among farmers.

No as I said in my original post part of the farm is family owned and part of the land they farm is rented off the local estate. The latter is neither here nor there. 
 

[Johnsond]

6 hours ago, Steven P said:

However I can see the thrill in the D household on a Monday, just after you have finished knocking one out when your 2 favourite topic appear on the same news story

 

"Hey, D, can you take the kids to School"

"In a minute Mavis, I just have to post this on the Arborist forum, the guys will be as excited as me to know that Kier is going to do some effective border controls.... Yeah I know most will be setting up on site for a days work just now, it will keep them buzzing till lunch! So excited today Mavis with this news, I could squeal with excitement"

 

 

However I do think you are posting this on the wrong thread, try the Employment thread - always posts asking for groundies - 30,000 'military age' - so lets assume you know more than me that they are also fit and healthy  - would cut the shortage in workers here in a blink of an eye. That would be good wouldn't it?

Just rereading this post and the last few sentences regarding work etc. No it wouldn’t be good, some things are worth more than a nice balance sheet, our culture our history our values our security etc etc have more value than possibly filling a few job vacancies when there are plenty here who can work. Sort out the benefits/taxation system to make it worthwhile rather than it act like a magnet for anybody who has the cash to pay for a trip over the channel illegally. 
2 or 3 Rwanda flights or 2 or 3 mid channel push backs would be all it took, take the ultra woke condemnation from the left wing human rights industry “ of which Starmer was a part “ and get on with  things, very soon it would become yesterdays news. The word would soon get out crossing illegally is pointless. 
The alternative mentality displayed by the likes of yourself is just going to increase the attraction to cross illegally. 

Edited November 4 by Johnsond