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[Mark J]

Just now, scotspine1 said:

 

As I've said before, you're as thick as mince. According to your brainwashed mind, this black guy is pro-fascist.......

 

 

 

 

No, all I've done is call out that when Donald Trump declared ANTIFA to be a terrorist organisation, he was basically decaring war on anyone who wasn't a fascist.

If you look back through the thread since I posted that, you'll see I haven't made a statement on race throughout this discourse. I might have done that on purpose.
 

[Puffingbilly413]

6 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Antifa
Quite literally means Anti-Fascist.

Fascism - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

You're either anti fascist or pro fascist.
 

I think it's impossible to be either pro or anti as Fascism no longer really exists.  Racism and bigotry still exist, granted.  But Fascism at a societal or governmental level disappeared with the end of WW2. In my view of course.

 

Antifa is not really 'anti-fascist' - it's a loose political movement which seems at its heart to despise all things to the right in the traditional political spectrum (but also many traditional liberal aspects such as freedom of speech if the views expressed don't fit).  It does seem the case these days that the term fascist is banded about freely yet incorrectly.  The irony is that the further toward the extremes of the political left and right you get, the more in common these competing movements have in terms of intolerance of others' views and a willingness to resort to violence to try to enforce their own.

[Johnsond]

5 minutes ago, Mark J said:

All the question marks do my head in. Would you calm down and rephrase it??

 

 

?? What you on about ?? 
I’m sat here calm bud. Thought the questions were pretty simple but if you want me to dumb them down a bit let me know. Please don’t make people from Northumberland look too fucking stupid though eh ?‍♂️

[Mark J]

5 minutes ago, Puffingbilly413 said:

I think it's impossible to be either pro or anti as Fascism no longer really exists.  Racism and bigotry still exist, granted.  But Fascism at a societal or governmental level disappeared with the end of WW2. In my view of course.

 

Antifa is not really 'anti-fascist' - it's a loose political movement which seems at its heart to despise all things to the right in the traditional political spectrum (but also many traditional liberal aspects such as freedom of speech if the views expressed don't fit).  It does seem the case these days that the term fascist is banded about freely yet incorrectly.  The irony is that the further toward the extremes of the political left and right you get, the more in common these competing movements have in terms of intolerance of others' views and a willingness to resort to violence to try to enforce their own.

Think marmite there is no middle ground. In the same way you either love or hate marmite you can never sometime just fancy a little bit of fascism.

Or maybe you can.

 

Edited June 3, 2020 by Mark J

[Mark J]

3 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

?? What you on about ?? 
I’m sat here calm bud. Thought the questions were pretty simple but if you want me to dumb them down a bit let me know. Please don’t make people from Northumberland look too fucking stupid though eh ?‍♂️

You're doing a fair job of that yourself.

[Johnsond]

1 minute ago, Mark J said:

You're doing a fair job of that yourself.

LOL ? 

You think so ?? 
Forget the original questions eh ?

[Puffingbilly413]

10 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Think marmite there is no middle ground. In the same way you either love or hate marmite you can never sometime just fancy a little bit of fascism.

That wasn't really what I was driving at.  I simply don't think Fascism even exists in our times.  Antifa as a title for a movement has come about partly due to the fact that 'fascist' is deemed to be a particularly insulting term that aims to give moral superiority to the Antifa movement and the opposite to those on the receiving end.  In reality, those people are not Fascists - racists and biogots possibly.  But also a lot of the time they are just people who espouse competing views and policies.

 

And I do like Marmite a great deal.  But sometimes I don't fancy it.  It doesn't go well on my cornflakes, for example.

Edited June 3, 2020 by Puffingbilly413
Fat fingers

[scotspine1]

41 minutes ago, Mark J said:

No, all I've done is call out that when Donald Trump declared ANTIFA to be a terrorist organisation, he was basically decaring war on anyone who wasn't a fascist.
 

 

You've been indoctrinated, that's ok. It can happen to some people. 

 

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[Mark J]

[Sutton]

11 hours ago, Mark J said:

I'm old, failed at school and only got political after brexit so am well behind the curve. Would appreciate your views on this:

Donald Trump has declared war on US democracy. Can he be stopped?