Making the news today....

[tree-fancier123]

6 hours ago, The avantgardener said:

News out this morning that there are less GP’s per population than ever before. This is due to far more leaving/ retiring than becoming new ones , won’t stop lying shitbags from the Brexit brigade blaming it on immigrants though, easy target Mr Farage?

 

23 minutes ago, The avantgardener said:

why can you not understand this simple report?

Is it because it doesn’t confirm your idea that everything is the fault of Imigration? 

 

Why can't you understand that importing several million extra people over the last 20 years has increased the strain on doctors and the NHS in general? Your first post seemed to say Brexiteers were unintelligent and  spreading misinformation if they highlight the extra strain placed on GPs and the health service in general because of immigration. It's like your saying people who think immigration is causing problems with NHS capacity are just wrong. You say things like 'lying shitbags'.

[tree-fancier123]

from the BBC report

An analysis by the Nuffield Trust think tank for the BBC shows the number of GPs per 100,000 people has fallen from nearly 65 in 2014 to 60 last year.

The fall in GPs from 64.9 per 100,000 to 60 per 100,000 means the average doctor now has 125 more patients to look after than they did in 2014.

The Nuffield Trust believes another 3,500 GPs would be needed to get the NHS back to where it was in 2014.

There are just over 42,000 working currently, down by nearly 1,500 in four years.

 

Now, to say immigration has nothing to do with this is ludicrous - the net migration alone between 2014 and 2018 would be approx 1million (yes 1000000) this is why the Nuffield are saying 3500 GPs needed to get the ratio back to 2014 levels, despite only 1500 GPs lost since 2014.

[The avantgardener]

6 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

 

Why can't you understand that importing several million extra people over the last 20 years has increased the strain on doctors and the NHS in general? Your first post seemed to say Brexiteers were unintelligent and  spreading misinformation if they highlight the extra strain placed on GPs and the health service in general because of immigration. It's like your saying people who think immigration is causing problems with NHS capacity are just wrong. You say things like 'lying shitbags'.

In this instance the drop in GP’s is the reason for the report, not the rise in population that has been happening globally that everyone is aware of, but the first thing you post are immigration figures?

I am referring to lying shitbags like Mr. Farage who will see this exactly like you do.

[tree-fancier123]

6 minutes ago, The avantgardener said:

In this instance the drop in GP’s is the reason for the report, not the rise in population that has been happening globally that everyone is aware of, but the first thing you post are immigration figures?

I am referring to lying shitbags like Mr. Farage who will see this exactly like you do.

so you don't see that if those 2 million immigrants over the last 10 years hadn't come the fall in GP numbers would have far less impact?  As a starting point at 60 GPs  per 100,000 - those 2000000 new immigrants in the last ten years need 1200 GPs.

How is that logic wrong? Think before you reply.

Edited May 8, 2019 by tree-fancier123

[The avantgardener]

1 minute ago, tree-fancier123 said:

so you don't see that if those 2 million immigrants over the last 10 years hadn't come the fall in GP numbers would have far less impact?  As a starting point at 60 GPs  per 100,000 - those 2000000 new immigrants in the last ten years need 1200 GPs.

How is that logic wrong? Think before you reply.

Of course population increase affects the ratio, this report simply states that the recent drop has made the ratio the worst level it has been.

May I point out also that the population increase is not purely down to immigrants, British people breed as well and we are also living longer.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

We are experiencing a downturn in GP numbers - meh, not exactly ‘hot’ news. 

 

The has been a historic failure to plan and recover to a better level - meh, not exactly hot news. 

 

Adding +/- 300k bodies per year to a population is 

 

(a) ameliorating the existing problem 

 

or 

 

(b) exacerbating the existing problem?

 

Situation not too hard to grasp really....

[eggsarascal]

3 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

We are experiencing a downturn in GP numbers - meh, not exactly ‘hot’ news. 

 

The has been a historic failure to plan and recover to a better level - meh, not exactly hot news. 

 

Adding +/- 300k bodies per year to a population is 

 

(a) ameliorating the existing problem 

 

or 

 

(b) exacerbating the existing problem?

 

Situation not too hard to grasp really....

It seems that it is, though.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

5 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

It seems that it is, though.

Only for those that are ideologically blinded to simple logic...

[The avantgardener]

9 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

We are experiencing a downturn in GP numbers - meh, not exactly ‘hot’ news. 

 

The has been a historic failure to plan and recover to a better level - meh, not exactly hot news. 

 

Adding +/- 300k bodies per year to a population is 

 

(a) ameliorating the existing problem 

 

or 

 

(b) exacerbating the existing problem?

 

Situation not too hard to grasp really....

Depends on how many of them are GP’s.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Just now, The avantgardener said:

Depends on how many of them are GP’s.

With a points based immigration system they could all be. Of course there wouldn’t be 300k of them though and it would only leave the moral dilemma of asset stripping other nations.....  Can’t help but think of the anti Empire brigade and their collective self imposed guilt trip in such a scenario ?