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[Mesterh]

3 hours ago, NJA said:

 

Well it has standards, which have made it what it is, so hence it sticks to.  Who did he have to blame for that?

Yes Kirk was very aligned with Christians, (I think he said himself that colour doesn't come into it though).  America through being a Christian country quickly became the greatest country in the world, Trump is 'making America great again' by bringing it back to the values which made it great in the first place, which they'd got away from during Biden presidency.  Popular? No not always.   Best for America? Yes it seems so, which is his job as president.

In your opinion which values are missing nowadays which need to be brought back to make America great again? 

Which values did biden destroy in his 4 years that were there previously under trump's administration?

[NJA]

1 hour ago, Steven P said:

So if you are hankering after a past where the US was making bucket loads of cash, you need to go back to how they were making it too.

They've become the biggest economy in the world since slavery was abolished so don't think that's entirely true.

[NJA]

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

It's not making America great if athiests are thought of as having less to offer than Christians

No I don't think so, but any atheists I've ever spoken to have been quite quick to tell me they don't believe anything and don't go by any principles.  There may be some atheists in the American government I wouldn't know, but a country doesn't became what America has on no principles does it.

Going back to the original topic, you can't deny Kirk had very strong principles, he was so definite in what he believed in and was very happy to discuss why he had that view and what backed it up, which I think is what has made America such a strong economy.

[Mesterh]

11 minutes ago, NJA said:

No I don't think so, but any atheists I've ever spoken to have been quite quick to tell me they don't believe anything and don't go by any principles. 

Bollocks.

[Whoppa Choppa]

On 11/09/2025 at 09:59, 5thelement said:

Who was killing them for the 40 years before Hamas started in 1987?

 

[NJA]

1 hour ago, Mesterh said:

Bollocks.

I agree, it is

[NJA]

2 hours ago, Mesterh said:

In your opinion which values are missing nowadays which need to be brought back to make America great again? 

Which values did biden destroy in his 4 years that were there previously under trump's administration?

Thats a big question, why not watch that video I posted, good place to start answering your question.

[5thelement]

9 hours ago, Whoppa Choppa said:

Horseshit.

[tree-fancier123]

11 hours ago, NJA said:

Going back to the original topic, you can't deny Kirk had very strong principles, he was so definite in what he believed in and was very happy to discuss why he had that view and what backed it up, which I think is what has made America such a strong economy.

so if Christian values and principles are what made America such a strong economy, how do you explain the rise of the Chinese economy? China now have a greater share of the EV market than Tesla in europe

In August 2025, China-based BYD captured a 1.1% market share in the European Union's new car registrations, while Tesla held 0.7%.

My view is that it is not Christian values or principles that have built the US economy, but hardworking inventors and entrepreneurs

Henry Ford 

Alexander Graham Bell

Larry Page (google)

Musk (SpaceX, Paypal , Tesla)

Steve Jobs

Jeff Bezos

Samuel Morse (telgraph)

Thomas Edison (phonograph, light bulb)

 

while some may have been driven by faith (Christian principles and values), it's hard to know what percentage. At least some of them were athiests

Steve Jobs had a lifelong spiritual journey marked by an adoption of Zen Buddhism following a trip to India, which heavily influenced his philosophy of simplicity and focus, though he remained interested in other beliefs and was known to express uncertainty about the afterlife. He was not deeply religious in a conventional sense but was a practitioner of Zen Buddhism and was interested in the spiritual teachings of figures like Neem Karoli Baba.  

 

Larry Page was not raised with a particular religion, despite his mother having a Jewish background. He was raised in a secular home where his father's belief that technology was a form of religion was more influential than any established faith. 

 

Elon Musk describes his religious identity as a "cultural Christian", while also stating that he follows the "religion of curiosity". He has also identified himself as "Jewish by association" and has spoken about attending a Jewish preschool. While not a formal member of any religious institution, he has expressed appreciation for Christian traditions and philosophy.

Jeff Bezos does not publicly identify with any particular religion and has not discussed his religious beliefs in public. While his father's family was Baptist, Bezos himself has not publicly shared his own religious views. 

Edited 6 hours ago by tree-fancier123

[Mesterh]

10 hours ago, NJA said:

Thats a big question, why not watch that video I posted, good place to start answering your question.

I was asking as as was interested in your opinion but it's not that important so don't worry about it.