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[Oldfeller]

Purely from a hypothetical viewpoint, how would all you hard working arborists  feel about an influx of other arborists all of whom would undercut your rates severely.

and those that didn't simply roamed around stealing your tools,your fuel,abusing  your wife and children,  and every day more came, would you just pack up and sit  and watch it happen.

[Oldfeller]

13 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Have a closer look at Farage's links to the financial services industry. It's quite clear, to me at least, that he ulterior motives for the things he does. 

I agree that there is a ton of wastage and inefficiency in the system, that isn't to say that it can't be fixed without selling out the NHS. 

ok, you may have a point, however, isn't it also obvious to you that concept is prevalent already with whoever is in government. 

I recall in the covid era there were instances of contracts being awarded to companies that didn't even exist. 

everybody has an angle. 

Edited July 5 by Oldfeller

[Johnsond]

30 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

However for at least the 2nd half of the last Tory government, 60,000 or whatever the number is (that was at its peak) is dwarfed by the government approved immigrants - that half million a year net migration are the ones who are putting pressure on housing, on farmland, on all our resources. They are the ones who come to steal our jobs and houses.

 

I suspect that all on this forum know that well but some choose to blame all of the UKs problems on a tiny number of people.

Loose ends blagger 

[Oldfeller]

23 minutes ago, Mark J said:

I agree that there is a ton of wastage and inefficiency in the system, that isn't to say that it can't be fixed without selling out the NHS. 

I think that is accurate, and alternatives will need to be thoroughly discussed

and considered, I think it's premature to think only one of those alternatives has been decided.

[Bolt]

1 hour ago, Youngstu said:

a quick Google brought this up for the US!

 

"In 2024, the average annual cost of individual health insurance in the United States was US$8,951, while the average cost for a family policy was US$25,572"

 

Probably why there are so many uninsured people where it isn't part of their salary package (those with less money and in lower earning jobs) and why the cuts to medicare are such a massive problem for the less wealthy.  

 

 

 

 

Christ, that’s more than I was expecting, but something doesn’t add up.

 

I did a very quick google for average price of health insurance in the uk, and I came up with this….

 

What is the average cost of health insurance in the UK?

WWW.MYTRIBEINSURANCE.CO.UK

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Discover average UK private health insurance costs from myTribe's analysis of over 12,000 quotes. See...

 

If it’s true (and I’m skeptical) that’s an average of less than £2k a year for a family of four!

 

 

 

[Bolt]

3 minutes ago, Bolt said:

 

Christ, that’s more than I was expecting, but something doesn’t add up.

 

I did a very quick google for average price of health insurance in the uk, and I came up with this….

 

What is the average cost of health insurance in the UK?

WWW.MYTRIBEINSURANCE.CO.UK

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Discover average UK private health insurance costs from myTribe's analysis of over 12,000 quotes. See...

 

If it’s true (and I’m skeptical) that’s an average of less than £2k a year for a family of four!

 

 

 

Take my money!!

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Steven P said:

And I suspect there are those who use this forum have completely forgotten why the NHS was set up and it's guiding principles of free at the point of use.

 

Those who have a claim for asylum - who are here legally now that that claim is being processed get acess to UK healthcare. Those who are here illegally - ie those who do not have an asylum claim, or other rights to remain, do not get a right to access UK healthcare (apart from emergency care). Even asylum seekers and refugees only get 'tier 1' treatment - which is the life saving stuff.

 

For being so vocal on the subject, I am amazed they don't know this. Spouting rubbish from a position of ignorance.. or if they do know it is spouting rubbish for the purpose of spreading hatred and intolerance.

 

As for paying, those that can pay do and those that need the help get it without paying, there is no 'banked' money. Pay in £10,000 a year and expect £10k worth of treatment, be poor and pay in £1k a year to only get £1k of treatment type of thing... We are all equal in NHS care, richest or poorest. Though I often find that those whose salaries dwarf the average worker, those with the most disposable income are the ones who whinge the loudest having forgotten their roots - we all come out naked and crying, we all end up in a hole the same way - which is the principle here, we are all humans and all the same.

 

Same with pensions, my tax (NI... is tax), pays for the current pensioners, my childrens will pay for mine. As a society we look after each other - and as such a society we are vastly improved for it.

Spoken like a true libtard or one who’s getting far more out of the state than he ever puts in. 
Loose ends Blagger 🤷‍♂️any chance this month 

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

Yes legal migration needs to drop too, and the increased salary before a visa rule has made a start.  41k general from later thus month

Its simply not true to say the small boats are a tiny number of people, and even that doesnt

count those who get in via other methods.  Hardly any are removed and the cummulative mass of illegals now in UK is costing the taxpayer fortune in welfare and legal bills.

 

I welcome the noble Lord to his position. On one day this week more than 970 migrants crossed the channel. Up to 745,000 illegal migrants are currently in the UK. One in 100 of the population—more than in any other European country—is a migrant in this country. Against that background, and with an alleged £6 billion overspend on asylum seekers, is it the Government’s policy to continue to house migrants in hotels for another three years?

Lord Hanson of Flint 

(Lab)

 

You're right, worldwide migration is a big issue, but the stance of UK politicians of standing at the border and trying to turn back a tide as they come doesn't work. Farage and his videos of anger "Look they still come" will be repeated for the next 100 years unless you look to the source and why people leave.

 

Harris in the US was tasked with this, working with and investing in Guatamala (I think it was) and the number of immigrants from there dropped.

 

But to stand and demonise them when they arrive here - too late to do anything - isn't working. That was for the small boat arrivals.

 

For the 'regular' immigration again too many, and that needs some tricky political decisions.. which given a 4 year life of a politician before they are potentially sacked, tricky decisions arn't made very often.

[Mark J]

58 minutes ago, Oldfeller said:

I think that is accurate, and alternatives will need to be thoroughly discussed

and considered, I think it's premature to think only one of those alternatives has been decided.

I think the opposite, that the desired fate of the NHS has long been decided. 

 

But there you go. 

[Oldfeller]

They come here because nothing is done to make them consider anywhere else, and they in some cases are almost encouraged and helped by those nearby who are glad to see the bloody back of them.

I find it extremely difficult to comprehend how this country has a procedure for incarcerating people for a comment on social media, and yet illegals are given hotels, cash, free treatments and in some cases allowed to continue committing crimes because nobody wants to be accused of stereotyping at best, and at worse racism.

there were warnings this would come and it was ignored then,, and here we are, strangers in our own country.