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[tree-fancier123]

1 hour ago, Mark J said:

that seems to be the tactic reform are using in order to get their hands on the NHS. 

 

A vote for Reform is a nail in your vulnerable friend or relatives' coffin. 

Sometimes you just have to sacrifice a friend or relative for the good of the country.

Seriously - because Reform wont want day after day of demos and riots it would go means tested, so just insist on being paid cash, sweet

[Mark J]

21 minutes ago, Oldfeller said:

I personally haven't heard reform as a group, or Farage state he/they would privatize the NHS, so I looked it up, and I found this below.

 

Is Labour right to claim Reform UK would ‘scrap the NHS’? – Full Fact

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In the run-up to the local elections, Labour is warning Reform UK would make people...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Steven P]

10 hours ago, Mark J said:

Assuming the illegals issue is resovled by Farage, as he seeks to do, how long then do you think it will be until Reform privatise the NHS?

 

As far as I can tell his policies for this is to turn into Gandolf, stand on the White Cliffs of Dover shouting "You Shall Not Pass" and then "Oh, you did, OK, you over there You Shall Not Pass... oh they did too"

[Johnsond]

4 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

As far as I can tell his policies for this is to turn into Gandolf, stand on the White Cliffs of Dover shouting "You Shall Not Pass" and then "Oh, you did, OK, you over there You Shall Not Pass... oh they did too"

A worthless post Blagger, but seeing as you are here again any chance you can sort those loose ends out 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[Johnsond]

9 hours ago, Johnsond said:

The insanity of it is the fact I get the same level of treatment as an illegal immigrant arriving yesterday or a person who’s never worked a day in their lives Mark, you think that’s fair or sustainable. 

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️Well Mark

[Steven P]

6 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

the trouble is, due to the sheer size of the world, those with genuine asylym claims is a large number of people. Admitting all would require even more urbanisation to house them. If 60k a year are kept there is a new town to be built each and every year. As far as I can see its been happening that way for 2 or more decades.

Being human doesn't mean being soft - practical considerations should come before compassion.

The UK imports a staggering 65% of fresh produce - when farmland is converted to housing it can easily be converted back to growing crops by moving all the people who live there into a government dormitory the size of an Amazon warehouse.

Vote reform - better to lose the NHS than lose at keeping our country from being overrun.

 

However for at least the 2nd half of the last Tory government, 60,000 or whatever the number is (that was at its peak) is dwarfed by the government approved immigrants - that half million a year net migration are the ones who are putting pressure on housing, on farmland, on all our resources. They are the ones who come to steal our jobs and houses.

 

I suspect that all on this forum know that well but some choose to blame all of the UKs problems on a tiny number of people.

[Steven P]

And I suspect there are those who use this forum have completely forgotten why the NHS was set up and it's guiding principles of free at the point of use.

 

Those who have a claim for asylum - who are here legally now that that claim is being processed get acess to UK healthcare. Those who are here illegally - ie those who do not have an asylum claim, or other rights to remain, do not get a right to access UK healthcare (apart from emergency care). Even asylum seekers and refugees only get 'tier 1' treatment - which is the life saving stuff.

 

For being so vocal on the subject, I am amazed they don't know this. Spouting rubbish from a position of ignorance.. or if they do know it is spouting rubbish for the purpose of spreading hatred and intolerance.

 

As for paying, those that can pay do and those that need the help get it without paying, there is no 'banked' money. Pay in £10,000 a year and expect £10k worth of treatment, be poor and pay in £1k a year to only get £1k of treatment type of thing... We are all equal in NHS care, richest or poorest. Though I often find that those whose salaries dwarf the average worker, those with the most disposable income are the ones who whinge the loudest having forgotten their roots - we all come out naked and crying, we all end up in a hole the same way - which is the principle here, we are all humans and all the same.

 

Same with pensions, my tax (NI... is tax), pays for the current pensioners, my childrens will pay for mine. As a society we look after each other - and as such a society we are vastly improved for it.

[Oldfeller]

16 minutes ago, Mark J said:

 

I'm hearing that as a change to how the money [our money]  is channeled into the nhs, we already pay national insurance, or those that didn't arrive on a rubber boat pay NI, governments ,just like councils can always find ways to waste money, maybe an independent insurer could be a better bet, I think it should be considered, the option of leaving things that clearly are broken isn't a viable solution

[Mark J]

3 hours ago, Oldfeller said:

I'm hearing that as a change to how the money [our money]  is channeled into the nhs, we already pay national insurance, or those that didn't arrive on a rubber boat pay NI, governments ,just like councils can always find ways to waste money, maybe an independent insurer could be a better bet, I think it should be considered, the option of leaving things that clearly are broken isn't a viable solution

Have a closer look at Farage's links to the financial services industry. It's quite clear, to me at least, that he has ulterior motives for the things he does. 

I agree that there is a ton of wastage and inefficiency in the system, that isn't to say that it can't be fixed without selling out the NHS. 

Edited July 5 by Mark J

[tree-fancier123]

4 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

However for at least the 2nd half of the last Tory government, 60,000 or whatever the number is (that was at its peak) is dwarfed by the government approved immigrants - that half million a year net migration are the ones who are putting pressure on housing, on farmland, on all our resources. They are the ones who come to steal our jobs and houses.

 

I suspect that all on this forum know that well but some choose to blame all of the UKs problems on a tiny number of people.

Yes legal migration needs to drop too, and the increased salary before a visa rule has made a start.  41k general from later thus month

Its simply not true to say the small boats are a tiny number of people, and even that doesnt

count those who get in via other methods.  Hardly any are removed and the cummulative mass of illegals now in UK is costing the taxpayer fortune in welfare and legal bills.

 

I welcome the noble Lord to his position. On one day this week more than 970 migrants crossed the channel. Up to 745,000 illegal migrants are currently in the UK. One in 100 of the population—more than in any other European country—is a migrant in this country. Against that background, and with an alleged £6 billion overspend on asylum seekers, is it the Government’s policy to continue to house migrants in hotels for another three years?

Lord Hanson of Flint 

(Lab)