EMERGENCY! Blood clotting stuff...

[Stubby]

And thus is born another internet myth :laugh1:

 

I heard he was served up with a nice black pepper cream sauce

[inthewoods]

A ready substitute might be to have a few Tampons in your med kit...

They're designed to soak up blood after all...

 

Hahaha, I think he's already got some in his hand bag! (sorry Steve, couldn't resist!)

 

for the Israeli trauma bandage

[Andymacp]

A ready substitute might be to have a few Tampons in your med kit...

They're designed to soak up blood after all...

 

 

This is a misconception, there really not that good. Only 40% of what there meant to soak up is actually blood, there fiddly as hell to open and try to apply. They don't hold nearly the same amount of fluid as a dressing. There not sterile either.

[benedmonds]

Foxmedics recommended the impregnated bandages.

These are very different to an Israeli blood stopper, or tampon.. They do much more!

 

The granules as others have mentioned are difficult to apply especially under stress and in inclement weather. The granules end up places that you don't want them, like eyes.

 

They highly rated the impregnated bandages for our industry, and tourniquets... Neither of which I had been shown on previous first aid courses and I have been on many over the years...

[Peasgood]

 

They highly rated the impregnated bandages for our industry, and tourniquets... Neither of which I had been shown on previous first aid courses and I have been on many over the years...

 

I think tourniquets are back on the courses. Summat to do with the military noticing how many more people survived when they were used.

Last course I was on included them. I think they showed us an Israeli bandage with a built in tourniquet and blood clotting crystals.

[Andymacp]

Yes tourniquets are back, however there are some slight changes. The drill is now to apply 1 large dressing (Israeli), if it bleeds through that apply another on top. If it is still bleeding then apply the tourniquet and a fresh thin bandage.

Release after 7 mins and if no fresh blood on the thin bandage keep the tourniquet off. If fresh blood appears reapply the tourniquet and repeat.

Tourniquets are good if you know how and when to use them and are trained.

I've been in a situation where a guys leg has been cut to the bone with a saw but no blood came through the first bandage. There was no need for a tourniquet. The guy was begging for a tourniquet to be put on.

[inthewoods]

Think I remember my trainer telling me the reason they stopped advocating tourniquets was because they were not being used correctly causing further problems. I'm glad you said 7 minutes because I couldn't remember for sure. Only time I've had to use one was on a biker with his femur bone sticking out of his leathers, luckily he passed out as soon as he saw it, so he was an easy patient to work on

[agrimog]

the move in major trauma has been away from celox granules and towards impregnated dressings, quicker, safer, and easier to work with, the added bonus is the product is easier to remove once in A&E. and as for touriquets, theyve never been out, just not being taught about (my first instructors were mine rescue team medics, and some of the things we were taught back then are still cutting edge to some "instructors" today) the only thing about using them is time control, "T" and time written clearly on the casualty, cos if you cant go with them, around the 15 min mark compartment syndrome starts to become a possible side effect (another thing you should be learning about on chainsaw first aid courses)

[Andymacp]

I was always advised by a surgeon to not use the granules cause of difficulty in removing them.

I changed my mind when I used them.

If you have a severe bleed in your pelvic area ,neck or stomach i.e somewhere a tourniquet can't be used. The granules are life saving.

I tried it on a deer I shot, cut a main artery in the inner thigh/groin, no where to apply tourniquet, very difficult to apply pressure. I pour in a sachet and within seconds all bleeding had stopped. Waited a while and I removed the granules in one scoop. If that were a person it would have saved their life.

I know carry granules.

[fen01]

Yes tourniquets are back, however there are some slight changes. The drill is now to apply 1 large dressing (Israeli), if it bleeds through that apply another on top. If it is still bleeding then apply the tourniquet and a fresh thin bandage.

Release after 7 mins and if no fresh blood on the thin bandage keep the tourniquet off. If fresh blood appears reapply the tourniquet and repeat.

Tourniquets are good if you know how and when to use them and are trained.

I've been in a situation where a guys leg has been cut to the bone with a saw but no blood came through the first bandage. There was no need for a tourniquet. The guy was begging for a tourniquet to be put on.

 

Interesting that, a tourniquet is being taught to be applied after 2 bandages have studied through, that's a lot of blood out of the body that should be in it! In my experience, get a tourniquet on and leave it until the paramedic/surgeon get hands on. Also just because there is no external bleed doesn't mean there's not an internal one though, hence the importance of a thorough survey.

 

 

Celox bandage all the way, it's pretty easy to use but must be used correctly with pressure for 2 minutes. Never used celox granules, but have used Quick Clot granules (generates heat)and didn't find it that simple or effective in the field.

 

Just my 10 pence worth...