Our own worst enemy?

[JaySmith]

So why did you agree to do it then?

 

Did you tell the council you agreed to work for that you thought the money was low so you would work dangerously and cut corners?

 

Are you a professional arborist that puts yourself and others in danger if the monies is not good?

 

You have a choice what you will or wont work for.

 

From my experience those who are always cutting corners seldom do it because of the money.

 

Your post is very judgemental/insulting considering you don't even know me or my work and as far as I know we have never crossed paths before.

 

In answer to your questions the work was part of an initial job pack, we did the first few days then handed the pack back as it was economically viable for us a business. The council concerned apparently get this all the time, there words not mine. Contractors try the work, can't make it work as the rates are poor so hand the work back. As a guide some of the work included reducing over mature Oak's on a red route in London for £258.00 per tree. At no time did we work unsafe in order to get work done, we are a good AAAC who try to do things by the book.

 

It was not ultimately my decision to make as I do not own the firm, I am a crew leader. Your statement 'am I an arborist you puts yourself and others at risk if the monies not good' is personally insulting. You don't know me or the work I do. In answer to your question no, I am not hence why we sent the work back. For what it worth I've spent about £5k over the last two years on my own CPD out of my own pocket and strive to do things correctly and advance my knowledge.

 

Yes we do have a choice who we work for to a certain extent hence why we don't work for that council anymore.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

. As a guide some of the work included reducing over mature Oak's on a red route in London for £258.00 per tree. .

 

 

That's bonkers!

 

Wouldn't cover transport, congestion charge / parking fees (if relevant) & lunch let alone TM!

 

Can't imagine how anyone would even look at it at those rates?

[Mark Bolam]

That's bonkers!

 

Wouldn't cover transport, congestion charge / parking fees (if relevant) & lunch let alone TM!

 

Can't imagine how anyone would even look at it at those rates?

 

 

258 jobs like that and it's big money Kev.

This time next year...

[Gary Prentice]

Bloody snitch

 

I feel really bad now:blushing:

[Tom D]

Billed rates like that are always hard to price. However it's surprising how they add up. We have done LA contracts in the past which averaged £60 per tree! Some big trees too.

It all depends on the quantity. Say for example that there are 10 trees in a row one lane closure covers the lot , five climbers do 2 trees each in the day ..... You're making decent money then.

[Billy]

Saw some guys having a spot of lunch earlier....

[Mark Bolam]

Billed rates like that are always hard to price. However it's surprising how they add up. We have done LA contracts in the past which averaged £60 per tree! Some big trees too.

It all depends on the quantity. Say for example that there are 10 trees in a row one lane closure covers the lot , five climbers do 2 trees each in the day ..... You're making decent money then.

 

 

Depends what you're paying your climbers I suppose.

That would leave me £150 to run the job and kit for the day?

Unless I'm wrong. It's happened before.

[Joe Newton]

I feel really bad now:blushing:

 

 

Haha I was pulling your leg mate. I reckon I'm a decent enough climber. Nothing special, just competent. However when I get into a rhythm of knocking stuff out, sometimes I get tunnel vision, and lose my cautiousness.

 

If that happens, I expect to be told. Wether by the boss, or my groundies.

 

"Joe, that one was a bit close/plain bloody stupid".

 

We all need reigning in frontline to time.

 

Those who can't recognise their mistakes will never learn from them.

[Tom D]

Depends what you're paying your climbers I suppose.

That would leave me £150 to run the job and kit for the day?

Unless I'm wrong. It's happened before.

 

 

For contract work it's hard to compete if you're using subbies. If you can get a climber for less than 150and he does 2 trees a day then you're ok. The £60 a tree job we did we were doing a lot of trees a day.

[Gary Prentice]

Haha I was pulling your leg mate. I reckon I'm a decent enough climber. Nothing special, just competent. However when I get into a rhythm of knocking stuff out, sometimes I get tunnel vision, and lose my cautiousness.

 

If that happens, I expect to be told. Wether by the boss, or my groundies.

 

"Joe, that one was a bit close/plain bloody stupid".

 

We all need reigning in frontline to time.

 

Those who can't recognise their mistakes will never learn from them.

 

I know you were:thumbup1:

 

I think you've got an admirable attitude to being talked to, and I hope you don't take that as my being condescending. You come across in lots of posts as a real team player which makes you an asset to any business.