And they call it "Democracy"

[Taiga261]

French far right National Front routed in key vote - BBC News

 

I don't think the term "routed" is really accurate for this occasion.

 

So what we have is an electoral system with two rounds. In the first round, the FN "routed" the other two, winning in 6 of 13 regions.

 

Then they have a second round, which as I understand it is the winners of each region in the first round vs the runners up. And the leftists of the Socialist Party are that anti-democratic that they withdraw their own candidates in some regions so that their leftist voters can turn out and vote for the Tory equivalent in France....blocking the FN from power and influence.

 

So you have around 1/3 people in France with very little representation, power or influence. Democracy eh?

 

I suppose the most left-wing of you will be cheering this result, failing to realise that this was undemocratic tactical-voting to keep a major party out.

 

And save the "The FN are terrible Nazis" tripe. Marine Le Pen has modernised and moderated their movement and they have the support of far more "ethnic minorities" in France than they used to, including many in the Jewish community.

 

Their electoral system, and ours, both stink. Two-party states.

[bumble B]

French far right National Front routed in key vote - BBC News

 

I don't think the term "routed" is really accurate for this occasion.

 

So what we have is an electoral system with two rounds. In the first round, the FN "routed" the other two, winning in 6 of 13 regions.

 

Then they have a second round, which as I understand it is the winners of each region in the first round vs the runners up. And the leftists of the Socialist Party are that anti-democratic that they withdraw their own candidates in some regions so that their leftist voters can turn out and vote for the Tory equivalent in France....blocking the FN from power and influence.

 

So you have around 1/3 people in France with very little representation, power or influence. Democracy eh?

 

I suppose the most left-wing of you will be cheering this result, failing to realise that this was undemocratic tactical-voting to keep a major party out.

 

And save the "The FN are terrible Nazis" tripe. Marine Le Pen has modernised and moderated their movement and they have the support of far more "ethnic minorities" in France than they used to, including many in the Jewish community.

 

Their electoral system, and ours, both stink. Two-party states.

 

The sooner people wake up and realise voting is a waste of time the better. If no one votes what will they do? Politicians are puppets and their game is deception. They throw the voters a few tit bits now and again but essentially nothing changes or will if we keep voting.

[easy-lift guy]

The sooner people wake up and realise voting is a waste of time the better. If no one votes what will they do? Politicians are puppets and their game is deception. They throw the voters a few tit bits now and again but essentially nothing changes or will if we keep voting.

 

You could always move to China and allow the government to have complete say over your entire life. Not all politicians are as you describe, at least not here in the states. If your really willing to give up one of the last rights many completely take for granted around the world, you have no right belly aching on behalf for everyone else that has and still exercises their right to vote.

easy-lift guy

[Vespasian]

So it was tactical voting that did it?....

 

 

Still, lets the hope is that lessons have been learned, people want controlled immigration..

[eggsarascal]

Been down in Devon today, picked up a load of dummies and teddies.

 

Are there any Arbtalk members missing any?

[Vespasian]

(Still, the hope is that lessons have been learned, people want controlled immigration)..

 

 

 

sure I'm going blind me...

 

 

Eggs

 

I don't mind tactical voting, it kept Cameron in last time round..

But as a politician, they aught to bear in mind how many people voted NF..

If they know whats good for em, they better try adopting one or two of their policies..

 

immigration being the cheapest one to tackle..

 

Now, if they refuse to bend with the times, and constantly thwart a good part of the electorates concerns, then I see trouble ahead..

[john p]

Been down in Devon today, picked up a load of dummies and teddies.

 

Are there any Arbtalk members missing any?

 

 

Ha, good one egg!

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

Been down in Devon today, picked up a load of dummies and teddies.

 

Are there any Arbtalk members missing any?

 

ha, you're funny.

[shavey]

Been down in Devon today, picked up a load of dummies and teddies.

 

Are there any Arbtalk members missing any?

 

I haven't checked yet I will ask around in the hamlets if there's any fluffy White ones gone missing :

Edited December 14, 2015 by shavey

[Saw-sick Steve]

Immigration is a subject that, sadly, usually generates more heat than light but is nonetheless an issue that needs debating properly. FWIW, I'm in favour of free movement of people throughout the EU, but of selected immigration from elsewhere. I'm not - along with, I suspect, the majority of this country - a proponent of unfettered, unlimited immigration from third world countries comprising mainly of young Muslim men who hold values that are - IMO - totally incompatible with those of a modern secular Western democracy.

I'm rather attached to this country and the values and way of life that the likes of my father and his brothers fought to defend, and find it sadly ironic that any dissenting voices to the ''let 'em all in'' liberal media pro-immigration agenda are met with accusations of being a ''xenophobic,racist knuckle dragger'' - particularly as the majority of said immigrants are themselves adherents to a homophobic, misogynistic, medieval death cult that truly does fit the very definition of ''fascism''.