Sub 750 towing rules

[Logrod]

Luckily I have a C+E so any traffic officers who pull me can suck my balls....unless I'm overload that is.....

 

Is that due to the risk of gagging and dribbling on their uniforms?

[Stoatally]

You always need to use max weights. It doesn't matter that a 3500kg trailer only weighs 750kg empty, or a 3500kg transit is only 1100kg. Put the two together and they become a 7500kg combination.

 

The new rules do say something about theMAM of the vehicle and trailer, so you can't tow a 2 tonne trailer behind a fiat 500 :-)

[peatff]

You always need to use max weights. It doesn't matter that a 3500kg trailer only weighs 750kg empty, or a 3500kg transit is only 1100kg. Put the two together and they become a 7500kg combination.

 

The new rules do say something about theMAM of the vehicle and trailer, so you can't tow a 2 tonne trailer behind a fiat 500 :-)

 

You can't type a 750kg unbraked trailer with a Fiat 500 either if it's over 50% of the towing vehicle's weight.

[billpierce]

You can't type a 750kg unbraked trailer with a Fiat 500 either if it's over 50% of the towing vehicle's weight.

 

agreed, its dead hard to type that with a fiat 500.

[treequip]

agreed, its dead hard to type that with a fiat 500.

 

That might explain a lot of misinformed posts :laugh1:

[Justme]

it may also get more complicated if you have landy or something which laden could way 3500kg, that it might only be weighing 2500kg at the time of use, but that wouldn't mean you could pull a 1000kg trailer even though the landy is rated to as this would put your GTW at 4500kg?

 

Correct, it's all about the plated MAM not the actual weight, unless overloaded.

[Justme]

The new rules do say something about theMAM of the vehicle and trailer, so you can't tow a 2 tonne trailer behind a fiat 500 :-)

 

 

 

No they dont, they did but it was removed for legal reasons, IE it was not lawful to enforce on it.

 

The C&U regs stop you towing more than the manufactures spec not the licencing regs.

[Justme]

You can't type a 750kg unbraked trailer with a Fiat 500 either if it's over 50% of the towing vehicle's weight.

 

True but not due to the licensing reg as explained above.

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

 

1. So no towing trailers with little or no load that have a high potential weight.

 

 

2. Its also worth knowing that if you travel outside of a 100km radius & your combination is over 3500kg you need a tacho too. (this is a simplified rule & even under that distance you could need one depending on circumstances)

 

 

I so wish we were talking, for instance, the PUWER Regs here as by comparison they are simple and easy to understand/apply....however.

 

Firstly, THANK YOU "Just Me" for your very informed and very useful contributions here, much appreciated.

 

Secondly:

 

1 above - I thought there was either a recent incident, reported here on ARBTALK, or maybe even a recent legal case where it was established its the weight of the trailer at the time of the 'offence' that matters and not its potential carrying weight.

 

2 above - many contractors interpret the 'Agriculture / Horticulture / Forestry etc. exemption to be applicable here. Never really sure about this but if it does apply perhaps its time review your role from tree surgery business to 'urban forestry' business.

 

Just a couple of doubtless useless contributions.

 

Cheers all n thanks again 'Just Me'

Paul

[Justme]

 

1 above - I thought there was either a recent incident, reported here on ARBTALK, or maybe even a recent legal case where it was established its the weight of the trailer at the time of the 'offence' that matters and not its potential carrying weight.

 

2 above - many contractors interpret the 'Agriculture / Horticulture / Forestry etc. exemption to be applicable here. Never really sure about this but if it does apply perhaps its time review your role from tree surgery business to 'urban forestry' business.

 

 

Contributions are never worthless. Its always good to clear up any possible misunderstandings before your stood in front of a judge.

 

1, You are right however thats for a different reason.

My post is re the cat B licence regulations.

Your recollection (of one of my posts lol) is re C&U regs.

If you have +B then its the real weights that count for C&U not the plated weights. So a vehicle that can tow say 2700kg can tow a trailer plated at 3500kg as long as the real weight is =<2700kg.

 

2, the arb exemption is just re the tacho regs & the carrying of other peoples goods within 100km radius. Everyone can carry their own goods/tool of the trade or equipment up to 100km radius. If you carry other peoples goods then you need a tacho as soon as the vehicle moves unless the exemption applies.