When The Wife

[eggsarascal]

Yes, it's called the free market economy.

 

How very socialist! That's not an Arbtalk trait.

 

I think you've got in a muddle Mick.

 

It's called exploitation. Who do you think makes up the shortfall when companies pay their staff the minimum wage, or just over?

 

Let me just remind you, the minimum wage for over 21's is £6.50/hour. The Government tell us that the living wage is £7.85/hour.......... Who's making up the shortfall?

[Mick Dempsey]

Say Stephan continued to charge too little, after a year to two his machine would blow up and he wouldn't have put aside the money to replace it. So he would have to go and get a job working for someone smarter than him. That's what I mean, we're all free to have a go, but there had to be some failure.

[TIMON]

If you are "on site" for a strict 8 hrs who is paying for the handling of arisings, tools maintenance, general yard duties, six weekly checks on HGV s etc..etc..?? Tree work doesn't begin and end "on site"

This is why I am really reluctant to charge by the hour/day on jobs.

[eggsarascal]

Say Stephan continued to charge too little, after a year to two his machine would blow up and he wouldn't have put aside the money to replace it. So he would have to go and get a job working for someone smarter than him. That's what I mean, we're all free to have a go, but there had to be some failure.

 

So you spouted a load of shite then!?

 

When companies are paying the minimum wage the rest of us tax payers pick up the short fall, hence supporting someone else's business.

[tree-fancier123]

So you spouted a load of shite then!?

 

When companies are paying the minimum wage the rest of us tax payers pick up the short fall, hence supporting someone else's business.

 

I can't see how this got onto the minimum wage. If a subbie gets 100 120 a day, for 220 days, minus say 3k a year for expenses, ppe, chains, etc, surely that's still way over the minimum wage?

[Mull]

Say Stephan continued to charge too little, after a year to two his machine would blow up and he wouldn't have put aside the money to replace it. So he would have to go and get a job working for someone smarter than him. That's what I mean, we're all free to have a go, but there had to be some failure.

 

 

And his new employer paid him less than a living wage and he went shoplifting to allow his family to eat, is he wrong for stealing or is his employer wrong for not paying him enough to live?

= tax credits, benefits etc

So the smarter guy relies as much on benefits as the guy on benefits does.

[eggsarascal]

I can't see how this got onto the minimum wage. If a subbie gets 100 120 a day, for 220 days, minus say 3k a year for expenses, ppe, chains, etc, surely that's still way over the minimum wage?

 

I got on to minimum wage, or just over. It was quoted £55/day for a groundie, just over the minimum wage if I'm correct.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Oh man alive, itsa free world, and unless they start taking treework serious;y as an industry (like Corgi or NIC) then the game will be open to flagrant abuse in all factors.

 

at the end of the day I have to keep my rate down to about top for a good climber as I am competing for the avaliable work, I have all my own kit, milling included, along with a landy trailer and winch. I am a handy dude to have around, but I wont get more than anyone else just cos i bought stuff

[tree-fancier123]

£55 wouldn't be bad for an apprentice, sure someone on that with a family would need benefits, whatever

care homes are even worse for it, and they don't even get to climb

[Mull]

Oh man alive, itsa free world, and unless they start taking treework serious;y as an industry (like Corgi or NIC) then the game will be open to flagrant abuse in all factors.

 

at the end of the day I have to keep my rate down to about top for a good climber as I am competing for the avaliable work, I have all my own kit, milling included, along with a landy trailer and winch. I am a handy dude to have around, but I wont get more than anyone else just cos i bought stuff

 

 

Don't think we are limiting this to tree work are we?