2 climbers?

[MasterBlaster]

I thought we were going to stop ripping to shreds peoples ''youtube'' videos?? how that firm works IMO is entirely up to the boss!

No, sorry mate - it's an unsafe practice that shouldn't be purported as being SOP.

[RC0]

Steve The video tells most of it.The two climbers had maybe 10 webbing slings between them and could set them for the same pulley from different sides of the tree.Two climbers cutting one at a time form either side of the tree.When the first climber cut the lower branches and they hit the pulley they it was time for the other climber to cut his share of branches.The speedline was full and the groundmen let it go all at once.The two were always angled away from the swing of the branches when cut, Bottom climber cut first.

 

I can see how that would work so long as having the extra man up the tree didn’t leave you short handed down below.

 

I agree with all you guys have said but remember we have been doing this for many years and mastered it easily.These climbers know what they are doing.That last top cut had to be secured before letting slide down.I taught these guys this technique and it works for us.After the top cut one climber came down the speedline and one finished the wood.never are the two climbers directly underneath each other.

 

I think the second climber would have been better coming down before taking the top out as his role seemed pretty much redundant by that point….unless of course he was a trainee looking to get a feel the situation?

 

What’s more, having the 2 guys working so close together wouldn’t really concern me at all, but locking the lines/load the way you did looked real bad….why would you do that?

[RobDog]

The system was perfect and in no way unsafe.I assumed the video showed this,sorry if You guys dont understand.This was a great day for my crew.

[RobDog]

No, sorry mate - it's an unsafe practice that shouldn't be purported as being SOP.

 

Maybe unsafe for those who cannot see themselves doing it.Presuming to judge a technique that you can not handle or havent been a part of is offensive to me. This is the reason I dont use subs as climbers.many loose cannons or "cowboys" think they are better than others and try to get too much money.I train my guys and If I can not do the tree I dont send them up. Labeling my work as unsafe without knowing WTH you are blowin is enough to listen too. let people be critics,some can see the new way is better. Oh what is "SOP" ?

[Pete Mctree]

Maybe unsafe for those who cannot see themselves doing it.Presuming to judge a technique that you can not handle or havent been a part of is offensive to me. This is the reason I dont use subs as climbers.many loose cannons or "cowboys" think they are better than others and try to get too much money.I train my guys and If I can not do the tree I dont send them up. Labeling my work as unsafe without knowing WTH you are blowin is enough to listen too. let people be critics,some can see the new way is better. Oh what is "SOP" ?

 

Your aims in staff training and care in concept are comendable. But with comments from many, on this and other forums, all questioning the 2nd climber remaining in position whilst topping the tree, plus the susequent whiplash effect caused by the tops premature arrest, on the speedline. Does it not force you to question the method? Those posing the questions, perhaps are experianced and more than aware of the dynamics and subtelties of speedlining scenarios?

 

I just hope you don't hurt someone with your inability to view the bigger picture

[penfold]

SOP- Standard Operating Procedure. With a lad in the armed forces i would have thought you might have heard him talking about these. Not being nasty to you mate, I've got a few mates who are either in the sandbox, on their way there or just come back. They're always at the back of my mind esp when i'm doing tricky jobs:closedeyes:

[RobDog]

Your aims in staff training and care in concept are comendable. But with comments from many, on this and other forums, all questioning the 2nd climber remaining in position whilst topping the tree, plus the susequent whiplash effect caused by the tops premature arrest, on the speedline. Does it not force you to question the method? Those posing the questions, perhaps are experianced and more than aware of the dynamics and subtelties of speedlining scenarios?

 

I just hope you don't hurt someone with your inability to view the bigger picture

 

I guess I should change everything I do to make the Arborist board happy?

[RobDog]

SOP- Standard Operating Procedure. With a lad in the armed forces i would have thought you might have heard him talking about these. Not being nasty to you mate, I've got a few mates who are either in the sandbox, on their way there or just come back. They're always at the back of my mind esp when i'm doing tricky jobs:closedeyes:

 

Got it SOP . Never heard it before I guess it dosent make my less than others.Yes I am proud of my Son he is probably one of the best survival trainers in the Air Force. he wants to deploy but hopefully he wont have to.When a tree service survives this long we might just know what we are doing.

[penfold]

if he does deploy to afghanistan and he ends up in helmand (unlikely but you never know) i know of at least one person he can rely on to immolate the taliban as one of my mates is with the royal artillery and more specifically the grid square removal system (something we nicked off you yanks and improved:001_tongue:). I also have a friend who is a sar pilot but i think he is practically permanenetly based in this country with a few deployments to the falkland islands:thumbdown:. Sorry to hijack the thread mods.

Edited April 23, 2009 by penfold
much grovelling to be done to the mod gods

[Steve Bullman]

interesting to read all the comments....i dont see a problem with the vid personally....everything we do in tree work has an element of risk involved.....so long as the people in the tree are both competent...to me it just looks like a variation of a theme, with the intention of adding a new dimension to what it sometimes quite a routine job. i'd have been happy to be up that spar taking the top out providing a new the abilities of the other climber.....and the tree was of course sound.