Agriculturally registered vehicles?

[lgl]

Quite right, in fact the grey areas are black and white, its the people hanging tree surgery on the coat tails of agriculture that call it grey in an attempt to legitimise their actions.

 

Some of the activities of commercial tree surgery touch on areas where agricultural exemptions may apply and while engaged in that, using the exemption is quite legitimate, but using the exemption across the board is likely to get you into trouble.

 

 

Thanks, that was the point I was trying to make, a typo made my post confusing. There are no grey areas, denial and rationalising springs to mind.

[aspenarb]

Those running mogs for domestic arb use would soon get rid of them if they put white diesel in them. Look at the difference in the cost of running a 6" timbewolf legally on red vs a six pot mog run pto chipper howling its nuts off on white. I never calculated the fuel consumption of the mogs we have but they are not good.

 

Bob

[openspaceman]

Wrong on most counts ,and I would know. I took the whole issue to the appeal court twice, first time the judge threw out the prossecution barrister and told him to "go home and study law" seccond time I won ,but against an A list barrister!.

 

Hi Mike

Our chat did get you going then!

[arbwork]

Those running mogs for domestic arb use would soon get rid of them if they put white diesel in them. Look at the difference in the cost of running a 6" timbewolf legally on red vs a six pot mog run pto chipper howling its nuts off on white. I never calculated the fuel consumption of the mogs we have but they are not good.

 

Bob

 

approx. 50 ltrs on a normal day running all day except for lunch time, most extreme day we've used 100 ltrs that was 12 hour + none stop, possibly acceptable ? not bad for a 150 hp 12'' chipper, 8 tonne winch 9 tonne meter crane with capacity to have 24 tonne gross train weight i.e possibility to move 25 m3 chip at a time.

[aspenarb]

approx. 50 ltrs on a normal day running all day except for lunch time, most extreme day we've used 100 ltrs that was 12 hour + none stop, possibly acceptable ? not bad for a 150 hp 12'' chipper, 8 tonne winch 9 tonne meter crane with capacity to have 24 tonne gross train weight i.e possibility to move 25 m3 chip at a time.

 

 

 

I am not sure but I think our`s has a 40 gallon tank and that wont last a day pulling the timber trailer. It`s certainly capable of using as much fuel as the artic if its dogging it.

 

Bob

[agrimog]

a mog will use between 10-15 ltrs an hour if its working, irrespective of whether its sitting running a pto or pulling a load!

[Mobile Milling Mike]

Hi Mike

Our chat did get you going then!

 

Hi Openspaceman , How did you guess it was me? The name or my comments on Agricultural/forestry vehicles?

Interestingly, regardless of what HMRC say on their guidance notes. They took some serious flack recently in the courts due to over restrictive policys regarding the use of red diesel.They did not just loose the cases ,they were told by the judge to reconsider how they applied the law.

[Stephen Blair]

a mog will use between 10-15 ltrs an hour if its working, irrespective of whether its sitting running a pto or pulling a load!

 

My Mog uses way less running a chipper on 1000 speed than doing road miles without a trailer.

[lgl]

Hi Openspaceman , How did you guess it was me? The name or my comments on Agricultural/forestry vehicles?

Interestingly, regardless of what HMRC say on their guidance notes. They took some serious flack recently in the courts due to over restrictive policys regarding the use of red diesel.They did not just loose the cases ,they were told by the judge to reconsider how they applied the law.

 

For the benefit of others are you able to give details of your own case?

It seems from what you say that you were working within the law on agricultural or forestry work using rebated fuel for that purpose ?

[treequip]

Hi Openspaceman , How did you guess it was me? The name or my comments on Agricultural/forestry vehicles?

Interestingly, regardless of what HMRC say on their guidance notes. They took some serious flack recently in the courts due to over restrictive policys regarding the use of red diesel.They did not just loose the cases ,they were told by the judge to reconsider how they applied the law.

 

That sounds decidedly "hinkey" to me, if only for the reason that your quote hardly sounds like something a judge would say.

 

Judges apply the law and the rest of us bring cases for their attention. They are quite keen on people knowing that.