The great big "Profession/Professional/Professionalism" debate.

[Silverwood]

Bodie & Doyle tree services.........

[Chris at eden]

Hi folks,

 

There is a question/assignment relating to this on the new L6 professional diploma and its all about qualifications. Professions are represented by seats of learning at higher education establishment. E.g. degree courses at university. The oldest professions are medicine, law and theology. Arb is a pretty new profession as the pd arb has been running since the 60's and the degree is even more recent. Arbs can also now achieve chartered status through the ICF. If you ever get to represent a client at a planning inspectorate appeal for TPO refusals, the first thing the PINS inspector will do is ask you to write down your qualifications. PINS inspectors (at hearing) generally know very little about trees and rely on the expert statements of the arbs that are present. This is why they ask about qualifications. To judge the level of the arbs knowledge without having to go to too much effort. In short, tree surgery is a trade, arboriculture is a profession.

[peatff]

All you need to be a professional is to be competent and skilled in a particular activity and be paid for doing it according to the dictionary. The oldest profession as far as I know is something to do with ladies of the night

[Chris at eden]

All you need to be a professional is to be competent and skilled in a particular activity and be paid for doing it according to the dictionary. The oldest profession as far as I know is something to do with ladies of the night

 

Funny, that was my response when the lecturer said it.

 

I shall forward your comments to ABC Awards and tell them the L6 dip syllabus is wrong. I'm not saying that tradesmen can't act in a professional manner but if you turned up to court to act as an expert witness with nowt but your chainsaw tickets I don't think the judge would be impressed. Its the way the world works these days like it or not.

[Gary Prentice]

Hi folks,

 

There is a question/assignment relating to this on the new L6 professional diploma and its all about qualifications. Professions are represented by seats of learning at higher education establishment. E.g. degree courses at university. The oldest professions are medicine, law and theology. Arb is a pretty new profession as the pd arb has been running since the 60's and the degree is even more recent. Arbs can also now achieve chartered status through the ICF. If you ever get to represent a client at a planning inspectorate appeal for TPO refusals, the first thing the PINS inspector will do is ask you to write down your qualifications. PINS inspectors (at hearing) generally know very little about trees and rely on the expert statements of the arbs that are present. This is why they ask about qualifications. To judge the level of the arbs knowledge without having to go to too much effort. In short, tree surgery is a trade, arboriculture is a profession.

 

How you doing Chris?

 

The last three PINS Inspectors I've had have been Jon Cocking, Ian Murat and Mick Boddy - all of whom, I think you'll agree, know a thing or two about trees. Apart from that I'll put my red pen away:001_tt2: and concur with your conclusion.

[Chris at eden]

How you doing Chris?

 

The last three PINS Inspectors I've had have been Jon Cocking, Ian Murat and Mick Boddy - all of whom, I think you'll agree, know a thing or two about trees. Apart from that I'll put my red pen away:001_tt2: and concur with your conclusion.

 

Hi mate,

 

I assume these were all via fast track? I was referring to planning hearings. If you are getting arbs on a regular basis to a formal planning hearing then much respect. What's your secret? my experience is that you usually get a planner. I try everything to get appellants to go fast track as the results will most likely to be better. At fast track we usually get Jim Unwin where I live so as you say he knows a thing or two.

 

Cheers,

[Gary Prentice]

Sorry, I knew you were referring to hearings, so I was pulling your chain a bit. Couldn't resist. Nice website btw. Are you all done now?

 

Gary

[Chris at eden]

Sorry, I knew you were referring to hearings, so I was pulling your chain a bit. Couldn't resist. Nice website btw. Are you all done now?

 

Gary

 

Aaaaaaaaah, and i went for it big style!!!

 

Gary from the Syston group? i have a couple of weeks to do on the IRP and it should be ready for 1st sub. I've also got to re-sub that assignment on hollow trees again, for a third time. apparently i'm still evalutiing the method and not the theory!!!

 

cheers for comments on website. it needs a bit of work i think. its too wordy and the photos are on a 16 meg camera so take ages to load. need to shrink them but not sure how. I also still ave a lot to learn about SEO. computers not my string point.

[Adam Bourne]

Even if it takes 8 months for you to reply

 

 

Haaaaaaaaa

 

 

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[AA Teccie (Paul)]

Who made them the arbiter???

 

Sorry, haven't read all postings here and so may have been dealt with.

 

Just to clarify we are NOT the arbiter here, and nor should we be...as an association we may have an opinion but for the wider industry we would not be the dictator, tis the other way round, i.e. industry should dictate standards, albeit with guidance where needed.

 

The level 5 thing is the qualification entry requirement for AA Professional Membership. This may be interpreted as contributing to professionalism, and indeed I would support that view, however it does not imply that if you are not an AA Prof Member you are not a professional nor acting professionally.

 

I hope that makes sense...at least a little

 

Cheers..

Paul