VOSA targets ‘White Van Man’

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Beauty!!

[treequip]

Of course you can but it is still prohibitive on the grounds of cost and not wanting the indignity of paying for something your mum got for free.

 

If your business model won't stand the cost of a driving licence category it's time to pack up

[treequip]

Your right there are people who cant drive at all, and those who with no experience can drive very well.

 

My issue is the jump from 3.5 to hgv i would only need a 6.5 tonne iveco, but to go through the hassle of hgv training etc for a truck the same size as i already drive is just stupid.

 

They should do an extra test but one that just requires the driver to prove they can handle a 6.5tonner, and not require the hgv stuff mots and crazy checks all the time.

 

You can do a test for a 7500kg truck. Without checking as I remeber it takes you to 8250kg on a rolling load.

 

You have to get an MOT for a van so I don't see your problem with that and the checks aren't crazy, they are very simple and they are relatively few and far between. I know these forums make it seem like its onerous but taking that opinion from a place where people often come to complain about things is a mistake.

 

Given the number of people on forums who profess ethics professionalism and high standards about tree work its a shame we can't project that professionalism onto running vehicles.

[openspaceman]

Originally Posted by kevinjohnsonmbe

The whole 'nose weight' thing for trailers could be more simply explained / presented though!

 

Crack on, please: I for one have always been confused as to how the nose weight is supposed to be maintained at a small fraction of the trailer's capacity.

 

I see the principle behind it and I load over the trailer axles, i.e. balance the load, as far as I can, with a slight bias onto the front to put weight onto the towing vehicle's rear wheels.

 

As I interpret it you must lose the nose weight from the total permissible mam. So if the gross train weight is 7 tonnes MAM, towing vehicle 3.5 tonnes MAM and trailer 3.5 tonnes MAM then if the nose weight is 100kg this means the towing vehicle cannot gross more than 3.4 tonnes, or am I wrong?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Couldn't say if you're right or wrong fella.... Didn't really follow it!

[nepia]

As I interpret it you must lose the nose weight from the total permissible mam. So if the gross train weight is 7 tonnes MAM, towing vehicle 3.5 tonnes MAM and trailer 3.5 tonnes MAM then if the nose weight is 100kg this means the towing vehicle cannot gross more than 3.4 tonnes, or am I wrong?

 

 

Thanks but as to whether you're right or not... I haven't a clue.

 

Anybody?

[Jontreasure]

I dont want to jump on either side of the argument. I would just like to ask how anyone can say HGV is not a big deal? Its a theory test and two practicals (assuming you want to tow more than 750kg) this will cost your around 2k plus time off. Also unless you want to rely on the "grey area" (that is that you dont need CPC if you are using the vehicle for tasks other than delivering i.e. getting to or form site) you will need CPC.

 

You will also need to have the checks carried regularly on the vehicle and importantly hold and operators licence.

 

 

I would like to add that I run a small business and hold a full HGV cat C licence. I run a transit. Good luck getting an operators licence for a driveway. Lol

[treequip]

I dont want to jump on either side of the argument. I would just like to ask how anyone can say HGV is not a big deal? Its a theory test and two practicals (assuming you want to tow more than 750kg) this will cost your around 2k plus time off. Also unless you want to rely on the "grey area" (that is that you dont need CPC if you are using the vehicle for tasks other than delivering i.e. getting to or form site) you will need CPC.

 

You will also need to have the checks carried regularly on the vehicle and importantly hold and operators licence.

 

 

I would like to add that I run a small business and hold a full HGV cat C licence. I run a transit. Good luck getting an operators licence for a driveway. Lol

 

Mate, its just the cost of doing business

 

How much for a suite of NPTC certs, Insurances, Saws, PPE?

 

How much in overloading fines at a pound per kilo?

 

How much time lost in extra trips to tip off or run more than one vehicle?

[gensetsteve]

Its a shame they cant open the standard driving licence to allow use of the 5.5 tonne gross vans ie ivecos. Same regs as current panel van. This would allow a decent payload and still allow a big difference for an 8 tonner. I am sure a small 5 tonne loaded iveco is safer in the hands of an arborist than a hired 3.5 tonne high cube lwb sprinter by joe public moving 10 tonnes of house contents on completion day.

Edited June 14, 2013 by gensetsteve
missed a bit

[Peter]

Personally, I think they should make the restricted o licence simpler, but extend it to include 3.5 tonners. That way everyone would be on a level playing field and 3.5 tonners would be a lot safer.

 

 

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