Ideal first firewood setup.

[Alycidon]

So if I get a Farmi 30 or 36 to process the smaller stuff what sort of splitter would be most effective to brake down the bigger stuff so it can go through the processor?

 

I was sold on the Thor magik 13 but wondering if this is going to struggle at times. Here good thing about the Posch hydro 20 and then there are the Balfors from Riko. I like the way you can stabilise the log with the Thor but don't know how you do do this with the other two.

 

Dont forget you need to load the rounds onto this splitter, 400mm rounds a meter long are not so easy to handle. Some of the bigger splitters have hydraulic lifter/loaders, pretty essentail in my book. Maybe if you are younger and fitter you can get by but have an accident and the H&S will want you see your risk assesment. Lifting over 20kg with one man and you have a problem.

 

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[Chris Sheppard]

So if I get a Farmi 30 or 36 to process the smaller stuff what sort of splitter would be most effective to brake down the bigger stuff so it can go through the processor?

 

I was sold on the Thor magik 13 but wondering if this is going to struggle at times. Here good thing about the Posch hydro 20 and then there are the Balfors from Riko. I like the way you can stabilise the log with the Thor but don't know how you do do this with the other two.

 

I'd go for a big (circa 20T) PTO powered vertical with removable table.

 

PTO will mean it will be quick (should be sub 10 sec to do a full 1.1m cycle).

 

Big tonnage will mean it will spend more time on the fast speed (yes, a 13T will split pretty big stuff but need to be on full power/slower speed more often).

 

Billeting bigger diameter stuff on a vertical isn't too bad, there's a bit knack to standing them on end and walking them under the knife and once you get it you'll have no bother (though some do have a lift arm)

 

Table good for doing rings too big for the WP to handle too.

 

Horizontals are fine for billeting straight grained stuff but a pain in the arse for dealing with rings. Billeting stringy stuff on a horizontal can be a pain in the arse as it gets pushed onto the knife and then you have to wrestle/cut it off.

 

The other thing with a horizontal is that you have to move the log back to the splitter each time rather than just spinning it round a bit as with a vertical.

 

What you can do though with a horizontal is get longer versions (generally) and they are easier to load with a crane/loader etc

Edited June 3, 2013 by Chris Sheppard
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[Woodworks]

Thanks again Chris

 

"Big tonnage will mean it will spend more time on the fast speed (yes, a 13T will split pretty big stuff but need to be on full power/slower speed more often)."

 

Obvious really but I had not thought of this.

 

So looking at biggish machines that our tractor will handle leaves these.

 

Thor super magic 18

 

Posch hydro combi 20

 

Balfor 18

 

Posch appreciably more expensive but 130kg heavier so I guess it's built like a battleship. hmmm

[SAM66S]

Thanks, its taken a lot of trial and error to get there. A petrol splitter is ok but once you have used a decent hydraulic splitter powered by a tractor you will see the difference, the petrol will have a cycle time of maybe 17 seconds where the tractor splitter is nearer 10 I would guess.

 

 

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When you say cycle time do you mean from the ram extending fully & returning? Is that while spliting or nit under any load?

 

 

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[difflock]

I can say the 13 tonne petrol engined Thor I used to hire was PAINFULLY slow, and being without auto return this was especially noticable.

The 17 tonne PTO Krpan on the other hand is fine and with the auto return, no lost time.

Not even sure if it has two speed down stroke, but I never wish for any faster downstroke speed.

It is "just right"

The wee optional extra PTO winch was only £400.00 odd and is really useful.

Hydraulic might have been nicer, but they were all £1000.00 plus extra over the basic splitter.

More control with the hydraulic though, if using to position 1.om lengths on their end on the base plate.

I would say sommat between 15 and 20 tonne is right.

PS the old DB1490 was "hanging" tonight when I was splitting a knotty bit across the grain. Almost strangled her entirely.

Only running at 1000 engine on the thousand shaft mind.

cheers

marcus

Edited June 3, 2013 by difflock

[Woodworks]

Thanks Marcus

 

Krpan is a new name to me and a quick google has only given me the main site but nothing in the UK. Where can I get one. So you find a winch useful. I had wondered about their usefulness.

[difflock]

Apologies!

Marshall engineering/Marshall Agric, also do Dalen and the blue paint and hot dip galvanised ones?

Happen Jeffery Boreland reps for them and lives local to us, and I have know him this years.

I cannot fault it, though really only used on an intermittent basis.

The winch should only come on the 20 tonne up models but the engineer in Jeffery said he could not see why it should not fit the 17 tonner.

I use it to pull the tree length trees in to where I` am working.

Since I slipe them out of the moss full length.

I will try and post a link.

CHeers

marcus

try

Marshall Agricultural Engineering

an there it is

Binderberger= blue paint and hot dip galv.

sigh

Edited June 3, 2013 by difflock

[mendiplogs]

Thanks again Chris

 

"Big tonnage will mean it will spend more time on the fast speed (yes, a 13T will split pretty big stuff but need to be on full power/slower speed more often)."

 

Obvious really but I had not thought of this.

 

So looking at biggish machines that our tractor will handle leaves these.

 

Thor super magic 18

 

Posch hydro combi 20

 

Balfor 18

 

Posch appreciably more expensive but 130kg heavier so I guess it's built like a battleship. hmmm

HI MATE the posh heavier as there more metal in it so cost are going to be more all so look at the dalen ones there good thanks jon

[Woodworks]

Apologies!

Marshall engineering/Marshall Agric, also do Dalen and the blue paint and hot dip galvanised ones?

Happen Jeffery Boreland reps for them and lives local to us, and I have know him this years.

I cannot fault it, though really only used on an intermittent basis.

The winch should only come on the 20 tonne up models but the engineer in Jeffery said he could not see why it should not fit the 17 tonner.

I use it to pull the tree length trees in to where I` am working.

Since I slipe them out of the moss full length.

I will try and post a link.

CHeers

marcus

try

Marshall Agricultural Engineering

an there it is

Binderberger= blue paint and hot dip galv.

sigh

 

Don't apologise you have been a great help but have added more machines to my research list. Not looking forward to the phone bill for this month

[Woodworks]

Any views on the various systems to initially hold the log before wedge comes down?