Big Snatch

[Shane]

What was the point -If you show an example of the wrong way to all those present I'd expect to see a successful bit of rigging to finish off with - especially if I'd taken time out to go and watch a demo by a professional company.

 

All those wraps would have held the QE2 if the rope had been strong enough.

[Ewan Murray]

The whole point of the exercise was just to see what would happen, they had covered proper rigging techniques earlier in the day, they did not want the log to run they just wanted the log to stop. It was setup so it was to be lowered off of the stub that can be seen on the left, I think it would be a struggle to find a block that would fit 40mm rope. Before it went over we were all asked what we thought would happen were it would or could go wrong and why.

 

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[Stephen Blair]

Nah, they just messed it up!

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I thought this was going to be a follow on from the tv girls thread. Nice vid anyway

 

now that was proper funny:lol:

 

that rope was never gonna hold that timber, there would've been near 25 ton of weight as it hit the rigging, it fell a good 12 feet before it locked up then the rope snapped. Factor in weakening effect of the bend radius of the loaded rope as well and the 25 ton breaking strength is severely diminished.

 

As a workshop it was totally pointless as an advert for an arb equipment supplier it would make me doubt their judgement when it came to asking for advice re rigging.

 

It was a waste of a good opportunity to display some proper negative blocking using proper arb rigging gear.

 

I think the session was a succses, for the reason below.

 

I thought the point was to show how not to do it? I.e. buy some proper rigging gear.....

 

 

No???

 

Obvious I thought, these guys know what they are doing, you wouldnt get up eucs like that or play silly beggars to this level less you was a capable dude:thumbup1:

[Tommy_B]

now that was proper funny:lol:

 

 

 

I think the session was a succses, for the reason below.

 

 

 

Obvious I thought, these guys know what they are doing, you wouldnt get up eucs like that or play silly beggars to this level less you was a capable dude:thumbup1:

 

[Le Sanglier]

now that was proper funny:lol:

 

 

 

I think the session was a succses, for the reason below.

 

 

Obvious I thought, these guys know what they are doing, you wouldnt get up eucs like that or play silly beggars to this level less you was a capable dude:thumbup1:

 

Agreed.

[MOG]

i worked with both of these guys, used to work for Grant Cody full time. he is 3 times Ozzie champ and one of the best riggers i have worked with, loads of knowledge. amazing splicer and is on the Technical Comminty board for the ISA. over 15yrs experience in industry and thats in Ozzie not britain where trees are half the size.

 

Joe hariss the other trainer there, is currenty 2rd in world two years running, also a top splicer. and has written loads of acticles on rigging, angles, climbing tec's etc... spiderman they call him.

 

So i think the idea was to see what happen and yes i think they know what they were doing. i think they explained that in the vid.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

i worked with both of these guys, used to work for Grant Cody full time. he is 3 times Ozzie champ and one of the best riggers i have worked with, loads of knowledge. amazing splicer and is on the Technical Comminty board for the ISA. over 15yrs experience in industry and thats in Ozzie not britain where trees are half the size.

 

Joe hariss the other trainer there, is currenty 2rd in world two years running, also a top splicer. and has written loads of acticles on rigging, angles, climbing tec's etc... spiderman they call him.

 

So i think the idea was to see what happen and yes i think they know what they were doing. i think they explained that in the vid.

 

Theres treeworkers and theres big treeworkers:thumbup1:

 

and your right, the big trees are not here anymore, odd ones but the really big ones... (ashamed to say in my younger days I took a lot of em out:blushing:)

 

I wouldnt mind doing one of these tall forest grown eucs just for the hell of it one day.

 

been a long time since I had a rush!

[onelab]

I do love all the finger pointing and back seat arborists on here lol

 

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[scotspine1]

i worked with both of these guys, used to work for Grant Cody full time. he is 3 times Ozzie champ and one of the best riggers i have worked with, loads of knowledge. amazing splicer and is on the Technical Comminty board for the ISA. over 15yrs experience in industry and thats in Ozzie not britain where trees are half the size.

 

Joe hariss the other trainer there, is currenty 2rd in world two years running, also a top splicer. and has written loads of acticles on rigging, angles, climbing tec's etc... spiderman they call him.

 

So i think the idea was to see what happen and yes i think they know what they were doing. i think they explained that in the vid.

 

tree climbing comps are irrelevant to this vid.

 

As for the comment about Australian trees being bigger so the work is more technical or whatever is rubbish. You'll find people all over the world with excellent skills in rigging/treeclimbing regardless of the size of the trees.

 

Being a good climber is a state of mind not where you work or how big the trees are.

 

The question is, if these guys had all this amazing experience then why did they think they could stop that timber in that configuration using that equipment?

 

What this vid does show, to trainees in particular is that these two guys with their vast combined knowledge and experience failed to predict the outcome of the experiment.