poor pay

[brewx1]

It makes me sick to hear somebody berating an employer for offering a job in a free market. Do you realise how hard it is to employ somebody? Most business owners don't get sick pay, don't get 6 weeks paid holiday and all the other rubbish but in return work 3 times as hard as most of their staff.

 

I've employed a lot of guys and some have been excellent but NONE have worked as hard as me. NONE have cared as much as I did. NONE have seen further than 3 months ahead but all have been keen to take their allotted holiday WHATEVER the state of the business.

 

Employing people is not US against THEM. Or at least it shouldn't be. Employees sometimes maybe need to have a think about the people who pay their wages. What are your bosses giving up in these hard times to make sure you are still in a job? You might just be suprised.

 

I would expect that 99% of bosses are caring and fair people, not out to fleece their staff for every penny. Their staff probably get paid before they do. I know mine do. This 1970's socialist crap needs to be consigned to the history books. It's just not like that any more in my view.

 

Yes I do realise how hard it is to employ somebody, I've done it, probably will again. Admittedly I don't currently, I use self employed subbies It just suits me now as I don't do trees full full time. It is still the vast proportion of what I do but I couldn't offer someone a full time job.

 

Why is anybody surprised that their employees don't work as hard or care as much as they do, It's not their business. That's not to say there aren''t any great employees out there, there are, just few and far between. One thing is for sure though, the less you pay them the less likely it is you will find them and keep them, they will usually be people with enough about them to know when they're getting a rough deal and those very able to go and find something else.

So there's a lot of employers moaning about the quality of staff but at the same time offering very meagre wages...hmmm

 

I don' t share your opinion that 99% of bosses are fair and caring. There are a lot of naturally greedy people about unfortunately and if they think they can get away with paying very little they will, and come up with excuses like 'well it's the climate' and the more acceptance there is of that, the worse it will become.

 

I'm sure I could pay less to people for a hard days work, but personally I wouldn't feel happy about it.

[brewx1]

mmm....man up people!

 

used to work for a guy who always said...when men were men!.

 

too many pussy's out there now. Simple as this.. there is A LOT of competition out there and if you can not keep up then get out of the game.

 

I have taken on so many climber wannabees over the last few years...and maybe 5% of them were ok climbers.

 

I think they should tell them in college before they start the course..that only 5% of them will make it as good climbers and the other 95% will be ok groundsman because thats what i see.

 

Rough i know! but its true. doesn't matter about your age and circumstances..an employer is looking for someone to make there life easier and make them more profit..if a 18 year old with 3 years exp can do the job for less than a 35 year old then in a competitive industry the 18 year old will get the job.

 

I would love to pay top dollar for exp guys...but i can't afford it as i must put this onto the price of jobs.

 

too much Vodka tonight..but hope this makes sense.

 

Czloweik, I guess with your name and passion for vodka you could be east european?. I've worked with east europeans and found them great, hardworking and willing to work for next to nothing. Unfortunately many were paid a pittance because employers knew they could get away with it, not because times were tough and that's all they were able to pay. That's sort of a similar situation to what I'm moaning on about here.

I'm not complaining about my personal circumstances, I've got nothing to complain about.

I just don't believe there is any justification for paying appalling wages. sure there are many excuses that you could come up with for it, but I think in a lot of cases that's all they are, excuses.

 

Pay younger, inexperienced people less, or older inexperienced people for that matter, that's fair enough. All I'm really saying is, for whoever, it should be a fair days pay for a fair days work. It just seems mine and some others opinions of what that is differ.

 

Hope the head is ok this morning:001_smile:

[Marko]

One thing is for sure though, the less you pay them the less likely it is you will find them and keep them,

 

Agreed. And it can be very frustrating. Unfortunately being good at your job doesn't change the fair rate for the job.

 

No matter how good they are, you have to pack them off with a great reference and wish them good luck.

[likeitorlumpit]

Agreed. And it can be very frustrating. Unfortunately being good at your job doesn't change the fair rate for the job.

 

No matter how good they are, you have to pack them off with a great reference and wish them good luck.

 

Theres references and theres references

Most employers are able to read between the lines even though outwardly the reference seems acceptable.

Simple case of using more adjectives:001_smile:

[brewx1]

I had someone phone me yesterday as it happens with a similar problem. These things happen sometimes then clear themselves. Please let me know if it doesnt sort itself out in the next day and i'll have the server techs look into it.

 

All working fine this morning Ta

[josharb87]

I do think £7.50 is a bad wage for a proper job that not just anyone can walk into off the street, i.e they've had to go through training and get qualified. nobody's got a big enough boot that will make me change that opinion

 

Yeah but this industry is about what you can do and experience, not what you're ticketed to do. and its not exactly hard to get the basic tickets is it!

Very rare to see a job advertised with no experience needed. itd be a fantastic start to someones CV, the pay is low, so perhaps better suited to a 'teen living at home' its not the employers fault if youre old with bills-infact an eager 18yo newbie is possibly a better bet for an employer than a 40yo old newbie. im sure theres also chance of a magical thing called a payrise too!

[harvey b davison]

Can i just turn this around a bit.

 

I am just going thru the final stages of being crb checked etc, before starting work with someone in the public sector. The work is on an as and when basis but have been assured it will be in blocks of at least a month at a time if not more. Now the starting pay only £14k. which in truth is a struggle for me. But ! i then get holiday pay (accrued) sick pay, pension, use of equipment, all training payed for, so as far as i can see this becomes a better propersition. It is not always about the pay but about the 'Package'

 

Also, i am going to use this as a kick up the backside and get my own business up and running in the manufacturing of gates, log stores etc. which by accepting the above position, gives me some income whilst i also try and generate my own.

 

This country is on its knees, its time to be realistic imo, regarding work opportunities.

 

Hope it all makes sense.

 

cheers.

[skyhuck]

nobody's got a big enough boot that will make me change that opinion

 

So why start this thread???????

[skyhuck]

Yes I do realise how hard it is to employ somebody, I've done it, probably will again. Admittedly I don't currently, I use self employed subbies It just suits me now as I don't do trees full full time. It is still the vast proportion of what I do but I couldn't offer someone a full time job.

 

Why is anybody surprised that their employees don't work as hard or care as much as they do, It's not their business. That's not to say there aren''t any great employees out there, there are, just few and far between. One thing is for sure though, the less you pay them the less likely it is you will find them and keep them, they will usually be people with enough about them to know when they're getting a rough deal and those very able to go and find something else.

So there's a lot of employers moaning about the quality of staff but at the same time offering very meagre wages...hmmm

 

I don' t share your opinion that 99% of bosses are fair and caring. There are a lot of naturally greedy people about unfortunately and if they think they can get away with paying very little they will, and come up with excuses like 'well it's the climate' and the more acceptance there is of that, the worse it will become.

 

I'm sure I could pay less to people for a hard days work, but personally I wouldn't feel happy about it.

 

So if I understand you correctly you use subbies because it suits your needs, but find fault with those who offer a full time job at a rate that suits their companies needs??? "pot" "kettle" "black"????

[Andy Collins]

Poor pay...hmmm not really is it! One of my sons is a mechanic, coming up for 21, he spent 2yrs at college to qualify, he has now completed 2yrs at a training institute in advanced mechanics and diagnostics. He has to supply all tools to do his everyday work, cost of around £1000 to start with, adding as and when more kit. Currently on minimum wage, until all training is complete, which will be a total of 5 yrs intensive training, he will then get just over £8.50 per hr plus entitlements. 5yrs training....arb you can do all your training in as many weeks. But he loves the training, and loves the work,as said minimum wage is not bad to start out for a youngster.

This is the real world, not some fantasy world created by some union where they want something for nothing. This is a vocation, not some dead end job washing out wheelie bins or shelf stacking, a vocation that requires many skills and abilities that you learn on the job, not in a college. However, its a vocation 1000s are queueing up to get into, and will work for free if necessary. At its base level, this job is not highly skilled, does not require intelligence, and therefore does not command top dollar