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[skyhuck]

Here you go Tony

 

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[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Here you go Tony

 

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ha ha ha sweet, alhough It will be a job not a passion! cant see me on rooftalk!

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Interesting that you accuse people like me of being closed minded elitists who unfairly pigeonhole your leftfield ideas whilst you happily stick your head deep in the sand about the frankly vast body of established scentific knowledge simply because it doesn't fit your world view. Your revelations are old news in evolutionary biology.

 

 

 

Oh please expand. Any examples that don't include some dull poxy bracket and a knackered old tree?

 

O.k Bearrrrch, lets rock and roll!

 

so your interpretation of evolution is that its all as you have been told, taught and that includes the entire frame work of logic those lessens come from?

 

well thats fair enough I guess but what about the prime forest eco system and its mutual support networks?

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

and another one, Tony S, what do YOU think of Natural inclusional theory?

[Amelanchier]

Most modern evolutionary theory doesn't exclude what is often called mutalism (or even altruism for that matter - being nice to others). Cooperation and symbiosis can evolve as a successful strategy within the conventional Dawinian (or neo-Darwinian) framework. Its just a way of living and moving some genes onwards, any sense of a particular strategy being a 'better' way of doing things is just a reflection of our own morality/ethics.

 

As for my opinions on natural inclusional theory, I don't think it brings anything to the table that isn't already there in plenty. But you must know that by now...

[scotspine1]

The 2 Tonys,

 

you can talk about Neo Darwinism and Rayner's natural inclusion till the cows come home but it wont change anything. You two mistakenly seem to think that science can make sense of an irrational world, but it's feckin chaos out there boys, out there in the real world away from the computer screen.

 

The solution is simple, learn to play a musical instrument and sing about the chaos -

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMIlP4zB0EM]Bob Dylan - Subterranean Homesick Blues (w/ lyrics) - YouTube[/ame]

[RobArb]

The 2 Tonys,

 

you can talk about Neo Darwinism and Rayner's natural inclusion till the cows come home but it wont change anything. You two mistakenly seem to think that science can make sense of an irrational world, but it's feckin chaos out there boys, out there in the real world away from the computer screen.

 

The solution is simple, learn to play a musical instrument and sing about the chaos -

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMIlP4zB0EM]Bob Dylan - Subterranean Homesick Blues (w/ lyrics) - YouTube[/ame]

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy S2

[Amelanchier]

Look man, you can listen to Robert Allen Zimmerman but you can't hear him. There's a difference man. Just because you're listening to him doesn't mean you're hearing him.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Tony, if you think there is already similar concept out there enlighten me!

[Fungus]

Most modern evolutionary theory doesn't exclude what is often called mutalism (or even altruism for that matter - being nice to others). Cooperation and symbiosis can evolve as a successful strategy within the conventional Dawinian (or neo-Darwinian) framework. Its just a way of living and moving some genes onwards, any sense of a particular strategy being a 'better' way of doing things is just a reflection of our own morality/ethics.

 

Tony & Tony,

In modern biological or ecological and psychological, ethological or social behavioural theory, symbiosis, cooperation, mutalism and altruism are all considered to be forms of balanced parasitism or egocentrism. The only type of relationship between two or more organisms free of this is considered to be synergy.

According to these theories, human and non-human ecosystems go from equilibrium to equilibrium while tuning and calibrating the phases the family or ecosystem goes through to the positions of the participants in the "dance" of the total system. Also see my post on system theory.

Recent studies by Dutch ecologists show that evolutionary processes can either be slow or rapid and "bumpy" by skipping steps or taking more than one step at the time (progression) as a "reaction" to sudden dramatic changes and sometimes the process of evolution even goes backwards (regression).

Edited April 23, 2012 by Fungus