Dangers of top roping

[RopeKnight]

Porta wrap can be quite a pain to predict.

Kinda looks like it released and held. Groundie should have held tight and then let the load run and the climber could have soft roped the but with a figure eight, OLDs, etc.

That's the way play swingin wood.

[Stephen Blair]

2 folk not knowing what they were doing, simples!!

I work with Roberts a lot, he grounds while I climb, he is in charge of lowering, yes I tell him what I am going to cut,but I don't cut until he says.

After the first branch is away , he will know the weights he is working with and I know what the wood is doing.

[David Goss]

to me it seems that both were to blame for this. The climber wasnt ready for the groundie to be stupid, and the groundie held the piece instead of letting it run. It is team work for this kind of job and it really looked to me like there was a big lack of experience from both parties. Thanks for posting and i hope some people take notes on this one.

[JobsaGoodun]

1 Penny

[WorcsWuss]

No idea what CS41 entails. Anyone enlighten me?

 

http://www.nptc.org.uk/download.asp?file=cs41_underake_sectional_felling__assessment_schedules_june_2010_v2.pdf

 

I think the jist is he would have failed his CS41 assessment in so many ways....

[Tom D]

1 Penny

 

Ha ha. Thats what this place is for, There's a lot of penny's worth on here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Were you the groundie or the climber?

[Mike Hill]

Still totally the groundies fault.And it normally is when lowering operations go awry.

 

The Climber has a physical interest in not overloading the Stem or Rigging gear.The groundie has somewhere to run...

[toxicity2182]

haha, helmet off adds insult to injury and makes one feel like a baboon!

[scotspine1]

Speaking as a climber, this incident was 100% the climber's fault.

 

The decison to to tip tie/top rope that piece was wrong.

 

The decision on where to tie a section of timber off lies primarily with the climber. In this case the climber made the wrong decision. He could have easily tied it off near the base of the section and folded it over instructing the groundy to let it run as it hinged over.

 

Surprised to see so many 'experienced' people on this thread saying it was the groundy's fault. You can argue about the groundie's reaction when it started to go wrong, but it would never have gone wrong in the first instance had the climber made a better choice with his rigging.

 

It also has nothing to do with the choice of lowering device/pre-tensioning the line.

 

[paddy]

climbers fault tied up wrong,to large a section at that rope angle