Abolition of the small trailer exemption Dec 4th 2011

[robbo 110]

the whole thing is a mess, without a doubt.

 

the 7.5 tonne + sector used to be a big mess with exemptions = xy& z etc. that sector seems to be managed well & the few rogue operators are dealt with,

 

the 3.5 tonne will go the same way, it is inevitable.

 

i know it will cause hardship, some arguments etc but if it keep the roads, our towns/villages & our families safe then its not such a bad thing...

 

20 years ago drink driving & speeding where more socially acceptable than they are now...... lets face it, time to move an... overloaded transit with a chipper in tow that has never had its brakes looked at isnt going to stop quite as quick it is maybe should..... IS IT???????

[Goaty]

Amazes me how these various agencies expect us to keep trolling the internet to find out the latest regs without directly notifying any operators at all, then say ignorance is no excuse!

 

No wonder the country is in the state its in:thumbdown:

 

[zeroluke]

quote taken off the olmc website

 

I wish to add a vehicle onto our Goods Vehicle Operator’s Licence.

 

Licence Number

 

The vehicle details are as follows :

 

Land Rover Defender 110 Hardtop

Registration No

Gross Vehicle Weight 3050Kg

Minimum Kerb Weight 1919Kg

Maximum Payload 1131Kg

Towing Capacity 3500Kg (Braked Trailer)

 

We are going to be pulling the following Trailer :

 

Ivor Williams – Plant Trailer –

Unladen Weight 635Kg

Maximum Gross Weight 3500Kg

 

We are going to be transporting a test rig to and from construction sites around the Uk.

 

The rig weighs 2800kg

 

If you require any further information, please do not hesitate to contact me.

 

Regards,

 

 

 

VOSA's Answer

 

Land Rovers (and any vehicles with four wheel drive) are classed as dual purpose vehicles and - under current legislation - are exempt from operator licensing

 

Therefore, there will be no need to add this vehicle to your licence.

 

NB: You should contact the Central Licensing Office in Leeds, where you wish to add a goods vehicle to your operator's licence

 

would that apply to my ford ranger day cab too? I could tow a trailer for work purposes and not need an O license?

 

And other thing. Would carrying goods for a job count as hire and reward? Such as grass, plants or taking arisings away?

[Niceboy]

the whole thing is a mess, without a doubt.

 

the 7.5 tonne + sector used to be a big mess with exemptions = xy& z etc. that sector seems to be managed well & the few rogue operators are dealt with,

 

the 3.5 tonne will go the same way, it is inevitable.

 

i know it will cause hardship, some arguments etc but if it keep the roads, our towns/villages & our families safe then its not such a bad thing...

 

20 years ago drink driving & speeding where more socially acceptable than they are now...... lets face it, time to move an... overloaded transit with a chipper in tow that has never had its brakes looked at isnt going to stop quite as quick it is maybe should..... IS IT???????

 

Sadly it probably is inevitable if we all took that attitude, although judging from some of the replies I'm not sure it would cause hardship for everyone.

 

But why stop at 3.5tonnes? Why not make it 500kgs and daily checks, that should keep my family safe. Ah, but only if the high risk under 25's were limited to 10mph and then perhaps in 2015 make it under 45's limited to 5mph. Before long we could legislate accidents out of existence!

 

Where will it all end? When do we say enough's enough? I'd want to see the data which proves the population is being annihilated by Transits which don't operate out of an approved centre before I stopped fighting against operator's licences for 3.5 tonners.

[firewood]

i ...

 

thatcher days......... dont you think things have come along a little bit since then????? !!!

 

Yes...we have gone backwards since then.

 

http://www.kinnoirwoodfuel.co.uk

[firewood]

Sadly it probably is inevitable if we all took that attitude, although judging from some of the replies I'm not sure it would cause hardship for everyone.

 

But why stop at 3.5tonnes? Why not make it 500kgs and daily checks, that should keep my family safe. Ah, but only if the high risk under 25's were limited to 10mph and then perhaps in 2015 make it under 45's limited to 5mph. Before long we could legislate accidents out of existence!

 

Where will it all end? When do we say enough's enough? I'd want to see the data which proves the population is being annihilated by Transits which don't operate out of an approved centre before I stopped fighting against operator's licences for 3.5 tonners.

 

Well said that man.

 

http://www.kinnoirwoodfuel.co.uk

[swinny]

from the transit forum :

 

Black and White, certainly Sir

 

 

Abolition of the small trailer exemption

Paragraph 3 of Schedule 1 of the Goods Vehicle (Licensing of Operators) Act 1995 exempts from operator licensing a ‘small goods vehicle’ forming part of a vehicle combination (not being an articulated combination) where all the vehicles comprising the combination excluding any ‘small trailer’ have a plated weight not exceeding 3.5 tonnes.

A small trailer is defined under the Act as a trailer with an unladen weight not exceeding 1020kg. This trailer does not need to be included when calculating the 3.5 tonne limit.

However, under the Regulation all the vehicle combination (including any trailer) operating for hire or reward must be included when calculating the weight limit, so the small trailer exemption will be abolished for hire or reward operations from 4 December 2011. However, the small trailer exemption under paragraph 3 of schedule 1 of the Goods Vehicle (Licensing of Operators) Act 1995 will remain in place for operators carrying goods other than for hire or reward.

 

It can be found here, on page 48 of the Response Document:

http://assets.dft.gov.uk/consultations/ ... sponse.pdf

[swinny]

So does the above mean we can continue to use our chippers, also trailers (small) just for use but not using the trailer for log sales etc.... hire reward...

 

looks like this is going to take some looking into...

[treequip]

So does the above mean we can continue to use our chippers, also trailers (small) just for use but not using the trailer for log sales etc.... hire reward...

 

looks like this is going to take some looking into...

 

Your chipper is also hire or reward

[Paul Smith]

Your chipper is also hire or reward

 

Is not your chipper just another tool of the trade? You don't hire it out and you don't get a reward for using it just as a tool for the job. A bit like a saw?