Loler for Arb kit

[Andy Collins]

This came up in a different thread but rather de-rail I'll start here. It was mentioned that some are taking their kits to non-arb inspectors for Loler checks.

Now I was wondering, if they are deemed suitable to test inspect lifting gear worthy of 100's of tonnes in other industries, why are they not suitable to inspect a piddly bit of rope?

The reason for my asking is not that I personally have done this, but someone I know put it to me and I didnt have a definitive answer. Surely a Loler inspector is just that, trained to know what defects to look for in any aspect of Lifting, lowering etc. Are we not being maybe a little bit precious about our own tiny little niche market?

 

I expect to be shot down, pilloried, lambasted and even shot at dawn for this outrageous query. Make it a clean kill.

[bob]

Qualified and competent

I also get fed up with folk winging and whining that their Loler guy knows less than them so why use them

I know some ESP LA have to have insurance guy look but get it done as well by someone that does know.

We do not let insurance guy even open the bags.

Stick up for yourselves guys and galls and find someone that you trust

[Nigel]

a few weeks back i was contacted by a company who have a contract for inspecting all the lifting equipment for a local authority (no names). This equipment being fork lifts hiabs etc. The authority left their climbing kits and rigging kit for loler inspection. Basiccly the guy tasked to do the job had never seen any of this type of equipment before and was un-sure what most of it did. His call to me was for guidance on some of the Yale Ropes as the authority wanted them re-marked. He asked what should he do as he was unsure on how to tackle this job. I gave him a couple of names of respectable loler inspectors in our industry to sub the work to. Never heard back.

[Peter]

I was asked by one of my clients to drop some kit in to a large nationwide hire company, who offer loler inspection services.

 

I included an old Marlow climbing line, with the (factory) eye splice hanging half out, clearly not fit for use.

 

They passed it, but failed a perfectly good harness because they couldn't find a SWL marked on it.

 

I certainly wouldn't trust them with my kit.

[Andy Collins]

So (hypothetically) if I go into a Ropes & Lifting Gear Specialists shop, ask "Can you Loler my rigging kit" he shows me a cert for Loler inspector, yet he is not deemed competent or qualified in our field. Yet he is deemed qualified and competent for the rest of the Lifting etc industry?

Now lets say he's had a quiet week, is maybe a little on the dodgy side and holds back a little with the full truth, yes he is qualified so he wouldnt have an issue dishing out a ticket, after all its only good for the time of the inspection, and you're going to keep an eye on your kit in your daily inspections anyway.

[Peter]

LOLER covers everthing from lifts to tower cranes.

 

Surely no-one is stupid enough to think that being qualified to inspect in one industry covers every possible application?

[Jonesie]

As per the photo I'm OK to check Arb equipment, I would presume other industries would be the same for their equipment.

I can't and wouldn't LOLER anything I didn't know anything about and I would hope it's the same all round.

 

[Ian Flatters]

When citycare was going they had an in house loler inspector. He mainly delt with the other side of loler NOT arb. When it came to our inspections it was jaw dropping what i saw Prussik loops left on there ropes by some of the guys were just left on and not even looked at. When he got to mine he then told me that the friction hitch doesn't need to be inspected because one of the other guys said it wasn't required (same guy who left his prussik loops on). I insisted he checked mine and was addiment that loops/cord should be inspected.

 

After that i sat in on all my lolers and ended up sorting everyones kits prior as i told the contracts manager i was concerend for my safety over the cord point. Although i had to go above my chargehand, supervisor and crew manager to get anyone to listen was bad enough.

 

I guess its a fair example of what a large multi purpose company does with a qualification that covers more than one trade.

[skyhuck]

As per the photo I'm OK to check Arb equipment, I would presume other industries would be the same for their equipment.

I can't and wouldn't LOLER anything I didn't know anything about and I would hope it's the same all round.

 

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I'm not sure you actually need any qualifications to be a "competent person" if you can get the PI insurance, you can just do it, although I would not recommend any one use some one without the cert.

[Pete Mctree]

I'm not sure you actually need any qualifications to be a "competent person" if you can get the PI insurance, you can just do it, although I would not recommend any one use some one without the cert.

 

I agree. It does state, however that you should be qualified and competent