Arborist are we skilled or semi skilled

[Frankie Lawrence]

To be fair i think just your basic NPTC tickets and a couple of years under your belt doesnt really make you skilled IMO. The people who have the degrees and diplomas and many years experience are the skilled workers. It takes a long time to learn and master. Can of worms now open I consider myself 23% skilled

 

I think your wrong there if you have your NPTC's then your compotent you have 38-41 doesnt make you skilled but you mix them tickets with experience your skilled but spending three years in uni and hardly any in the 'real' world isnt the same IMO

[delabodge]

NPTCs and five years in the game full time and your skilled, 10 well skilled 15 very skilled and any longer and your top of the game, so skilled after five I reckon.

 

A degree dont mean squatt in the real world, it just means you got smarts, not skill, i know guys with degrees that couldnt talk a decent spec let alone do one!

 

well said,,,,degrees nowadays are multiply answers,,,,,maybe two hours a week,,then learing time on your own??= 10 mins down loading from net,,who`s kidding who,,,give us your tuition fees,,and help yourself to £30000 debt,,,,I`d rather my aprenticeship,,,with an old school forrestor any day,,and i dont read the sun either,,,,(nice pics though lol)

[adbat234]

NPTCs and five years in the game full time and your skilled, 10 well skilled 15 very skilled and any longer and your top of the game, so skilled after five I reckon.

 

A degree dont mean squatt in the real world, it just means you got smarts, not skill, i know guys with degrees that couldnt talk a decent spec let alone do one!

 

Agree on the time scales but it also has to be a person doing a variety of work and who is keen to do it. Ive worked with people who have been at it many years and are useless/dangerous at what they do. The degree thing wasnt meant as generic but usually if someone has taken the time to get a degree they are keen was what i meant

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

well said,,,,degrees nowadays are multiply answers,,,,,maybe two hours a week,,then learing time on your own??= 10 mins down loading from net,,who`s kidding who,,,give us your tuition fees,,and help yourself to £30000 debt,,,,I`d rather my aprenticeship,,,with an old school forrestor any day,,and i dont read the sun either,,,,(nice pics though lol)

 

NO dont take me wrong, a degree is bloody hard i know Im doing it now!

 

BUT without prior experiance and at least a decade of hard labour your too academic and detached from the REAL world of arb IMO

[Mesterh]

I disagree with all the time serve=skilled stuff.

 

I agree it does take a lot of time and experience to be highly skilled but just because someone has been in the game 10+years doesnt mean that they are good at their job.

 

Experience and skill are not the same thing imo.

 

You need experience to have skill but skill doesnt come with experience.

 

I should know, I've been at it 15 years and I'm still crap.

[treequip]

NPTCs and five years in the game full time and your skilled, 10 well skilled 15 very skilled and any longer and your top of the game, so skilled after five I reckon.

 

A degree dont mean squatt in the real world, it just means you got smarts, not skill, i know guys with degrees that couldnt talk a decent spec let alone do one!

 

This is all a bit moot unless you know what criteria the assessors have used.

The Cambridge dictionary describes semi-skilled as “having or needing only a small amount of training”

 

Time on the tools = experienced rather than skilled.

[Rupe]

Yeah its semi skilled. You need skill half the time but not the rest!!

 

"skilled" and "semi skilled" are just a catogories. It doesn't mean much, but tree work is semi skilled not unskilled like casual labouring, because it requires an understaning of machinery and techniques, but its no more skilled than other semi skilled proffessions such as joinery, plumbing etc. They all need courses but they are only semi skilled occupations.

 

Of course you need skills to do the job, but they are skills learned in time and once you have them its not that skillful its just a job.

 

I think the term "skilled" would be for something a bit more technical and possibly requiring a degree.. engineering for example would be a skilled proffesion.

[adbat234]

I disagree with all the time serve=skilled stuff.

 

I agree it does take a lot of time and experience to be highly skilled but just because someone has been in the game 10+years doesnt mean that they are good at their job.

 

Experience and skill are not the same thing imo.

 

You need experience to have skill but skill doesnt come with experience.

 

I should know, I've been at it 15 years and I'm still crap.

 

Its all about the person. Give me a keen 5 year guy who takes pride in their work over a 20 year man who is beyond rules any time.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I disagree with all the time serve=skilled stuff.

 

I agree it does take a lot of time and experience to be highly skilled but just because someone has been in the game 10+years doesnt mean that they are good at their job.

 

Experience and skill are not the same thing imo.

 

You need experience to have skill but skill doesnt come with experience.

 

I should know, I've been at it 15 years and I'm still crap.

 

OH that made me chuckle:lol:

 

Common sense and inteligence are needed as you say, you have to have both to adapt experiance into skill i suppose.

[Mark Bolam]

An insurance bod once told me he was putting me in a semi-skilled category.

 

I asked him if he would die if he made a mistake whilst doing his job.

 

He replied no, of course not.

 

I said well I will.

 

He put me down as skilled.

 

Mind you, as it has been said, its not skilled all the time! Especially my reductions).