wood burners

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, sime42 said:

I like your thinking here. So the new plan is: we all, alongsides our friends the fungi, set about devouring as much plastic as we can, before Alzheimer's sets in. We then take it six feet down with us when to depart, to leave a clean world for our children. Worth a shot I suppose.

My brother once suggested that we could bury all the plastics deep underground, to one day revert back to something akin to crude oil and coal. That still seems like a sensible idea to me. It's got more legs than trying to pretend that we're recycling it, which is in reality just a mugs game. 

 

Yes I think if the earth can turn leaves and dead fish into oil and coal (with time, heat and pressure) then surely it can do the same with plastics that are halfway there as they are.

 

 

Fungi - a thing on the TV last night, they can do something with some of them to make an equivalent to wood, takes about a month to grow the fungi, rather than 30 for trees, they are our friends, and not just for breakfast.

[openspaceman]

21 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Yes I think if the earth can turn leaves and dead fish into oil and coal (with time, heat and pressure) then surely it can do the same with plastics that are halfway there as they are.

 

 

 

I don't know if oil is still formed under an ocean, my old boss was sure as much oil was formed as was currently used, he was a successful entrepreneur so must be right.

 

We do know that coal was formed at a specific time in earth's history when tree like plants were growing and had evolved lignin to stiffen up their structures to grow tall but before a microbe to digest lignin had evolved.

 

It was a good thread and I wanted to post more but unfortunately the first shot was fired  by someone who has not learned and it was from my side of the political spectrum.

[AHPP]

39 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

he was a successful entrepreneur so must be right

I laughed.  

[Tree monkey 1682]

2 hours ago, GarethM said:

And what do you think happens to all this treated timber once the skip is collected?.

 

As usual it's how it's burnt, providing you've a modern stove and not some coal burner from the 40s.

Im quite well of what the timber goes for and what happens to it  the difference is filters, temperatures and a bottom ash.

What do you think happens to the bottom ash then ?

[Muddy42]

1 hour ago, GarethM said:

They aren't designed to be a poncy room feature, they're designed to burn hot and hard and store the heating efficiently out of sight.

 

That's partly why back boilers were stopped, it can't burn clean just ticking along slowly.

 

Not everyone has room for a boiler room or can afford to install an eco angus.  I would just like there to be a middle ground between a £500 stove and a £5k eco angus.  Modern stoves burn hotter and harder than older ones, but don't yet incorporate fans.  Maybe stoves could include fans that are located outside which then pipe the air inside.

 

Current policy seems to push everyone to electric heating/hot water/cooking, which puts pressure on the grid and generation and is not great in rural areas that suffer from power cuts.

 

[GarethM]

10 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

I'm quite well of what the timber goes for and what happens to it  the difference is filters, temperatures and a bottom ash.

What do you think happens to the bottom ash then ?

Well a good pyrolysis boiler goes to 1200 Celsius, so vaporisers absolutely anything flammable, leaving pretty much next to nothing.

[GarethM]

26 minutes ago, Muddy42 said:

 

Not everyone has room for a boiler room or can afford to install an eco angus.  I would just like there to be a middle ground between a £500 stove and a £5k eco angus.  Modern stoves burn hotter and harder than older ones, but don't yet incorporate fans.  Maybe stoves could include fans that are located outside which then pipe the air inside.

 

Current policy seems to push everyone to electric heating/hot water/cooking, which puts pressure on the grid and generation and is not great in rural areas that suffer from power cuts.

You don't need forced air fans on modern DEFRA approved stoves, that's why they're made with refractory stuff to burn hotter and vaporise the smoke, effectively a low rent pyrolysis as most are 5kw or less.

 

It's also why they're not designed to slumber because it just falls too low temperature wise.

[Muddy42]

1 hour ago, GarethM said:

You don't need forced air fans on modern DEFRA approved stoves, that's why they're made with refractory stuff to burn hotter and vaporise the smoke, effectively a low rent pyrolysis as most are 5kw or less.

 

It's also why they're not designed to slumber because it just falls too low temperature wise.

 

Fascinating, but I still behind my original assertion.  I wish there was more R&D into modern stoves that can also heat water safely without the water cooling the stove down.  As you know eco angus do this by controlling the burn with a fan, mix valves to control the return temperature and various safety features to stop overheating or excess pressure.  Its not rocket science.  I don't think pushing everyone onto electric is a good idea.

 

 

[GarethM]

36 minutes ago, Muddy42 said:

 

Fascinating, but I still behind my original assertion.  I wish there was more R&D into modern stoves that can also heat water safely without the water cooling the stove down.  As you know eco angus do this by controlling the burn with a fan, mix valves to control the return temperature and various safety features to stop overheating or excess pressure.  Its not rocket science.  I don't think pushing everyone onto electric is a good idea.

 

A loading valve won't realistically cope with such a small volume of a stove, I've got something like 100l of water in a 1/2ton boiler and 1500l tank fail-safe as a loading valve has a safety thermostat that just allows it to circulate without power.

 

You're average house with maybe 150l central heating system just isn't going to handle it.

 

The simplest solution is the one that's used by banning them, r&d isn't going to make any difference.