Learning rigging

[Joe Newton]

18 hours ago, kram said:

 

Thanks, I did get it wrong as the attachment end of rope fell the wrong side of the stub but it was away from other gear, no damage but I'd planned it to swing to the left and let it run away from the garage. The extra friction of it being the wrong side, stopped it running.

 

I am somewhat unsure how much weight you can drop on a normal rope or gear before it needs to be better gear.

I was estimating that top in the video to be around 30-40kg. Tried to lift it today, and its atleast double. I should probably have lowered it in two peices or climbed higher to cut and chuck.

 

Very true, but it was a customer video and I was working alone. I would have liked help with this job but she was not going to pay the extra and I wanted to do it anyway. Ofcourse that requires extra care, takes longer and ideally more experience. OTOH I have all the time with no one waiting for me.

 

I cant disagree with that however the local Kingswood and Plumpton do not appear to want my money unless I find the three other students for the course and wait a year for an instructor to become available.

If its box ticking only, I shall attempt to find somone experienced to mentor me, which I prefer anyway.

"Those that can, do. Those that cant, teach" as the saying goes...

I do wonder if the arb collages are just like barber shop money laundering fronts...

Anyway for cs31 and 38/39 I was already climbing and there was not much learned from the course.

 

 

I agree and plan to get a proper rigging rope before I do any more.

The rope I used was not a retired one, good condition but it was slightly older, 10mm rock climbing rope. I'd still happily jump off some rock attached to it.

 

Thanks

 

*Puts on helmet to prepare for the inevitable collision with a brick wall*

 

Firstly, the customer does not get an option wether to pay for aerial rescue provision/someone to rig for you. Climbing solo is generally frowned upon, and frankly you've nowhere near the experience to be messing about like that.

 

You've stated that you have no comprehension of the strength of the ropes needed and the forces involved. This is a fairly considerable part of what your rigging course will teach you, if you listen.

 

In the meanwhile, the candidate curriculum for the rigging course is freely available on the City & Guilds website. Download it and take a look.

 

The Technical Guide for Rigging and Dismantling operations (TG3) is available as either an E-book or hard copy from the Arb Association website. This includes the up to date industry best practice and is largely what the Rigging course is based upon.

[Mark Bolam]

God you sound old.

[Mark Bolam]

You’re spot on, like.

[Mesterh]

3 hours ago, Mark Bolam said:

What about smoke flares attached to ankles and Go-Pros?

 

Dinosaur.

 

3 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

I know of what you speak, it was shameful.

Go on, you must have a link to one of those videos knocking about that you can post. 

 

 

 

 

[AHPP]

23 hours ago, kram said:

I was estimating that top in the video to be around 30-40kg. Tried to lift it today, and its atleast double.

 

How did you try to lift it? With a/the rope and pulley up the tree (can't see from video if you crotched it or used a pulley/ring/biner)? Or just by hand on the ground?

[krummholz]

The Chainsaw From a rope and harness ticket should really incorporate some basic rigging into it, as in the German SKT-B ticket - if you're using a chainsaw in the tree it's not long before you'll be needing to do basic rigging, and not having the rigging ticket is a can of worms waiting to be opened as soon as something goes wrong as far as insurances and liabilities go. Yes, as long as a competent person is on site and has the rigging ticket and the climber is working under their instruction you'll be fine, but how often is that actually the case?

 

The Aerial Rigging ticket is so basic (as is the use of chainsaw from rope and harness IMHO) that they could easily be combined, with a more advanced rigging ticket to cover all the other techniques that everyone uses week in week out.

[AHPP]

2 hours ago, krummholz said:

The Chainsaw From a rope and harness ticket should really incorporate some basic rigging into it, as in the German SKT-B ticket - if you're using a chainsaw in the tree it's not long before you'll be needing to do basic rigging, and not having the rigging ticket is a can of worms waiting to be opened as soon as something goes wrong as far as insurances and liabilities go. Yes, as long as a competent person is on site and has the rigging ticket and the climber is working under their instruction you'll be fine, but how often is that actually the case?

 

The Aerial Rigging ticket is so basic (as is the use of chainsaw from rope and harness IMHO) that they could easily be combined, with a more advanced rigging ticket to cover all the other techniques that everyone uses week in week out.

 

Can you post a link to the course details please.

[Rich Rule]

I have to disagree.

 

Some of the muppets barely pass the CS39 or whatever it is called these days.

 

Would you really want them swinging heavy lumps around d on a rope?

 

Just let them get/ thy need experience with work positioning and comfortable, safe use of chainsaw in a tree.  
 

Then teach them rigging techniques.

 

Accident happen when people are expected to do thing outside their ability.

 

Also a large numbers  of climbers think their ability is much higher than what they are able to actually achieve.

 

 

[tree-fancier123]

1 hour ago, AHPP said:

 

Can you post a link to the course details please.

Because I'm interested enough to ask you, but not interested enough to look for it myself

Rope climbing techniques trainings | EDELRID

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Working safely in trees is no problem thanks to our rope climbing technique trainings. Our range of courses includes basic training as well as special courses.

 

[AHPP]

I meant the training schedule from the awarding body, describing what's on the course and what competencies you have to show to pass etc.