Over worked and under payed

[Will C]

It’s horses for courses. I know some young subbies (minimal life expenses and mummy still makes dinner box)this way that are bouncing off the walls at 120 a day others get almost 3x that. It all depends what you can bring to the party, that doesn’t have to include fancy kit, it can be the experience to deal with any job in a timely manner, or the ability to jump on any machine and work it well.
 

Shit falls downwards and the cream rises to the top - make sure you are the cream and the rates will rise with the cream, if your shit the rates will reflect that.

[5thelement]

24 minutes ago, Cain said:

Unfortunately rates are the rates hence why I started this conversation!!  I get payed the higher end of what contractors are getting up here. What do you get payed or pay ?? 

If your self employed the rates are set by you defendant on your overheads, not by others. 
if they won’t pay your rates, don’t work for them, if your worth what you are asking you will get it, if you don’t want to work for the rates being offered, don’t.

Handy having a safety net from doing so well in the past  in times like this.

[AHPP]

Beaten to it but I reinforce the point that there's no such thing as going rates. We're not the milk marketing board. Want more? Charge more.

[Excels1or]

There's a number of subbies and hire with operators we use, if they asked for £50 more  we'd probably pay it...... Shy bairns get nae sweets

[JLA1990]

9 minutes ago, AHPP said:

Beaten to it but I reinforce the point that there's no such thing as going rates. We're not the milk marketing board. Want more? Charge more.

Slight fallacy, you trade in a free market but the market dictates what your services are worth. Yes, you can run higher overheads and want to be paid more but that doesn’t mean you will (otherwise we’d all be rich). We could all band together under one company and force a monopolistic market - then we really could set the rates. 

[Cain]

38 minutes ago, Will C said:

It’s horses for courses. I know some young subbies (minimal life expenses and mummy still makes dinner box)this way that are bouncing off the walls at 120 a day others get almost 3x that. It all depends what you can bring to the party, that doesn’t have to include fancy kit, it can be the experience to deal with any job in a timely manner, or the ability to jump on any machine and work it well.
 

Shit falls downwards and the cream rises to the top - make sure you are the cream and the rates will rise with the cream, if your shit the rates will 

[AHPP]

17 minutes ago, JLA1990 said:

Slight fallacy, you trade in a free market but the market dictates what your services are worth. Yes, you can run higher overheads and want to be paid more but that doesn’t mean you will (otherwise we’d all be rich). We could all band together under one company and force a monopolistic market - then we really could set the rates. 

I follow you but I don't see what you're trying to tell me.

[Cain]

Yes think we have already established that?? Not sure what your words of wisdom are meant to mean?? Maybe in London £360 a day?? I don’t know any suby getting £360 a day for rolling up with ppe and all the experience in the world unless there working for people not in the industry!!  And even then they normally have to provide kit!! Which also has been established as costing fortunes. How are you guys meant to move forward in the industry if there not making enough to live ?? This topic seems to being clean over some peoples heads. The industry pay is all wrong 

[Cain]

31 minutes ago, JLA1990 said:

Slight fallacy, you trade in a free market but the market dictates what your services are worth. Yes, you can run higher overheads and want to be paid more but that doesn’t mean you will (otherwise we’d all be rich). We could all band together under one company and force a monopolistic market - then we really could set the rates. 

Totally understand this but as topic is head lined “ over worked and under payed”. What’s so hard to understand?? Just venting my frustration. Not trying to make a fortune or be rich but to make a living wage in this industry these days seems impossible as a subcontractor. Average pay here is £180 to £220 a day for a component climber/ forestry worker. I do both. Green guy £120 to £140 a day. There not a lot between them in wages but miles in experience and kit. Yes free market but you will never be free on money like that. 

[Cain]

Will leave topic open but nothing else to say. I know what I will be doing. Will say very surprised how many chose to read a topic about being over worked and under payed. Guess you all feel the same 😎

Edited January 12 by Cain