First year selling and lost already!

[WoodlandWilf]

10 minutes ago, Squaredy said:

And I would suggest selling by the ton is easiest.  Have you ever tried to measure firewood grade log stacks?  If you do you are guaranteed to create arguments with your customers!  Let the timber lorry weigh it and no one can argue.

Thank you. Yes I can imagine it's much easier to just get a ticket with the weight and there's no arguments.

[GarethM]

I wasn't advocating any option in particular, it all depends how quickly you want a return.

 

As I said at worst it's biomass, depends on if you've the time, space etc to separate.

 

Maybe do that next time once you have a feeling for who, where, what and how much 🙂

[WoodlandWilf]

Thanks Gareth.

 

For the South East, does £60 per ton for Chesnut/Ash in those kinds of trimmed lengths seem reasonable? I assumed it was but not had much experience.

[openspaceman]

3 hours ago, WoodlandWilf said:

Thanks Gareth.

 

For the South East, does £60 per ton for Chesnut/Ash in those kinds of trimmed lengths seem reasonable? I assumed it was but not had much experience.

In my day chestnut was worth far more than firewood when selected out for cleaving, 10' rails being the premium product.

 

£60/tonne for fresh felled hardwood by the 18-25 tonne load seems good to me, collected in June not so good.

[dumper]

Pictures would help with pricing

 

[spuddog0507]

You say you are new to selling, but work the you and probably others with you are carrying out ,whats the expirience of the people on site ? are they up to speed with the felling of trees with in a woodland enviroment ? have you got machinery for extraction etc, there is a lot to consider at times and if all put in to practice correctly makes the job run faster and smoothly, 

The timber personally i would forget the hanging on to it and seasoning and thinking its worth more as it wont be, best way i can explain this is if its dry you will fill a wagon and drag to the top of the bolster pins and probably have below 20 tonne on, if its wet fresh felled it will only be 2/3rds up the bolster pins, so with fresh felled you would be getting paid for 4 loads as apposed to 3, so if you worked it back and taking cash flow in to consideration your far better felling, extracting and getting it away asap for you maximum return, and another thing to consider if you have timber led about it tends to grow legs and walk and more so now a days,,,,

[WoodlandWilf]

9 hours ago, openspaceman said:

In my day chestnut was worth far more than firewood when selected out for cleaving, 10' rails being the premium product.

 

£60/tonne for fresh felled hardwood by the 18-25 tonne load seems good to me, collected in June not so good.

 

Great, hopefully the chesnut might fetch a few more pounds. WHen you say "collected in June not so good. " Do you mean the timber won't sell for as much in the summer months?

[WoodlandWilf]

37 minutes ago, spuddog0507 said:

You say you are new to selling, but work the you and probably others with you are carrying out ,whats the expirience of the people on site ? are they up to speed with the felling of trees with in a woodland enviroment ? have you got machinery for extraction etc, there is a lot to consider at times and if all put in to practice correctly makes the job run faster and smoothly, 

The timber personally i would forget the hanging on to it and seasoning and thinking its worth more as it wont be, best way i can explain this is if its dry you will fill a wagon and drag to the top of the bolster pins and probably have below 20 tonne on, if its wet fresh felled it will only be 2/3rds up the bolster pins, so with fresh felled you would be getting paid for 4 loads as apposed to 3, so if you worked it back and taking cash flow in to consideration your far better felling, extracting and getting it away asap for you maximum return, and another thing to consider if you have timber led about it tends to grow legs and walk and more so now a days,,,,

Pictures is a good idea, we'll get some.

 

In terms of experience felling and extracting we have a good team who have all the kit. It's more lack of experience on the market and finding the right buyers.

 

Very interesting on the wet vs seasoned, makes sense. The original plan was to get it sold ASAP as we didnt want to have to setup facilities to keep it dry but then I started questioning the return if we kept hold of it longer.

 

All really useful info guys, thank you very much.

 

 

[openspaceman]

1 hour ago, WoodlandWilf said:

 

Great, hopefully the chesnut might fetch a few more pounds. WHen you say "collected in June not so good. " Do you mean the timber won't sell for as much in the summer months?

No it will have got lighter so less return.

 

The chestnut thing is a specialist market and the produce has to be selected out of the tree lengths by someone with an eye for seeing which bits of the tree are best for the assortment of produce.

 

For instance the bottom of a piece of chestnut coppice is often swept, so either cut an 8' post or discard 2' to give a 9" top 10'  length which 6 rails can be cleft from.

[Canal Navvy]

😉Have you considered logging it up and selling it by the two cubic metre load for people to self season over next summer?

 

The closer you get to the end user the better the return. Firewooding with a few people is not only socialable but can be good for giving new recruits a bit of supervised saw time