GRCS vs LD2 vs Smartwinch

[Mick Dempsey]

£3199 ex Vat.

So (assuming your VAT registered) £700 quid more that a 10 year old one. 
I think I’d find the 700 quid somewhere and get a brand new one.

 

Dunno if the second hand one had a visor plate.

[AHPP]

Broadly agree but bear in mind lots of people aren’t VAT registered. Those only playing at it, as @Retired Climber might say. 

[Mick Dempsey]

S’pose.

Still think 2k is fair.

2.5 with no VAT actually means you’re paying the VAT, just unknowingly to my mind.

[AHPP]

Yep. I’d go along with that. I used to use 60% of new price including VAT as a fair second hand price for a fair thing (so £2400 in this scenario). A ten year old sailing winch owned by a rough tree type is probably sub-fair though. I nearly sold my GRCS for £1500 (no VAT) a while ago. I backed out. £1500 was too cheap. £2000 (no VAT) would be more like it. 

[AHPP]

It also won’t surprise you to learn, Mick that I have a pair of calculations I used until recently (I’m VAT reg now - yes, my soul hurts and penis shrinks every time I charge it) for buying and selling stuff.
 

Buying, I worked back from the lowest available new price including VAT, removed the VAT and removed an assumed initial retail margin that paid for warranty and statutory protections for the first purchaser only. That shows the true price of the thing. Then I adjusted for condition and offered accordingly. Selling, I made sure to charge the true price of the thing (condition adjusted) plus a sum equal to the VAT charged when new. So I got the VAT amount back either or both times.
 

You can imagine the abuse I got when making what looked like insulting offers on things. They weren’t insulting. Them expecting me to pay their tax and for their buyer protections was insulting.
 

As well as saving/making me a few quid and helping me cope with the miserable, taxed world, it was a useful piece of activism. A lot of people just said **************** off and never thought of me again but I made a few of them (rightly) hurt for how the exchequer ****************ed them at the shop till.

 

Yes. Can confirm it is nice to have this much time on my hands. 

[krummholz]

Anyone using a separate harken Winch like what Drew Bristow does in Fiji? Seems like a lightweight, versatile set up that's cheaper than a GRCS or smart winch if you've already got a decent lowering bollard.

Looks like he has the 500 - the WLL of 5kN doesn't sound like a lot though...

 

[Mike Hill]

No

 

But for lowering that setup looks pants,

[Mick Dempsey]

10 hours ago, AHPP said:

It also won’t surprise you to learn, Mick that I have a pair of calculations I used until recently (I’m VAT reg now - yes, my soul hurts and penis shrinks every time I charge it) for buying and selling stuff.
 

Buying, I worked back from the lowest available new price including VAT, removed the VAT and removed an assumed initial retail margin that paid for warranty and statutory protections for the first purchaser only. That shows the true price of the thing. Then I adjusted for condition and offered accordingly. Selling, I made sure to charge the true price of the thing (condition adjusted) plus a sum equal to the VAT charged when new. So I got the VAT amount back either or both times.
 

You can imagine the abuse I got when making what looked like insulting offers on things. They weren’t insulting. Them expecting me to pay their tax and for their buyer protections was insulting.
 

As well as saving/making me a few quid and helping me cope with the miserable, taxed world, it was a useful piece of activism. A lot of people just said **************** off and never thought of me again but I made a few of them (rightly) hurt for how the exchequer ****************ed them at the shop till.

 

Yes. Can confirm it is nice to have this much time on my hands. 

Read that three times. Still could not understand it. 
Long story short you lowball when you make offers, sometimes it works?

[Rich Rule]

Long story short.

 

He has short arms and deep pockets.

 

 

[Mike Hill]

14 hours ago, AHPP said:

It also won’t surprise you to learn, Mick that I have a pair of calculations I used until recently (I’m VAT reg now - yes, my soul hurts and penis shrinks every time I charge it) for buying and selling stuff.
 

Buying, I worked back from the lowest available new price including VAT, removed the VAT and removed an assumed initial retail margin that paid for warranty and statutory protections for the first purchaser only. That shows the true price of the thing. Then I adjusted for condition and offered accordingly. Selling, I made sure to charge the true price of the thing (condition adjusted) plus a sum equal to the VAT charged when new. So I got the VAT amount back either or both times.
 

You can imagine the abuse I got when making what looked like insulting offers on things. They weren’t insulting. Them expecting me to pay their tax and for their buyer protections was insulting.
 

As well as saving/making me a few quid and helping me cope with the miserable, taxed world, it was a useful piece of activism. A lot of people just said **************** off and never thought of me again but I made a few of them (rightly) hurt for how the exchequer ****************ed them at the shop till.

 

Yes. Can confirm it is nice to have this much time on my hands. 

 

You sound exactly the kind of tyre kicker who is quickly blocked by sellers over a myriad of sales platforms. 

 

How often does your strategy play out in your favour?