Smallish towing vehicle?

[Woodworks]

22 minutes ago, marne said:

Shoguns are reliable highmilers. 

The only thing you got to get used to is their never ending drinking problem. 

In the end it's just 1 or 2 litres more than the competition, for that you trade a low entry price and in general very little repairs, which save on the other hand. It took me 3 years to finally fall in love with mine, wanted to sell it several times. 

But once I finally realized how poor the alternatives are, even when buying new, I knew it's a keeper. Fabulous towing and family car. 

60 second shogun vid, worth to watch:

https://youtu.be/lwec1YcqmSo

So how bad is the drink problem when using as a car on short trips? 

[Woodworks]

7 hours ago, Matthew Storrs said:

Would a Mitsubishi Outlander not suit your purposes Beau. I think they are 2000kg towing so perhaps not quite enough for you. But Jon swears by his. And we have the ASX which is a shortened version which is proving to be reliable so far.

 

I have a 3.2l shogun. Superb for towing but I still prefer the older landrover Discovery's. As someone else said basically the same running gear underneath as a defender, onlu comfy seats, good heaters/windscreen wipers etc. And 1/4 the price of a defender. 

I think we will have a look at a Disco. My Ifor is 2600kg and the stock trailer 2500kg so an outlander wouldn't be an option

[Matthew Storrs]

25 minutes ago, Woodworks said:

I think we will have a look at a Disco. My Ifor is 2600kg and the stock trailer 2500kg so an outlander wouldn't be an option

But Disco isnt exactly economical on fuel either and the 1 and 2 series are getting pretty old now.  Shogun doing Devon lanes rarely exceeds 20mpg, towing digger much less. It is far better at towing than the old disco though. I've already had turbo boost/limp mode  issues with the Shogun though  and I'm starting to loose confidence in it . What EV are you considering for log drops out of interest? Doesn't it make more sense to keep your Hilux for logs and towing and get an EV for personal/Liz use?

[Woodworks]

20 minutes ago, Matthew Storrs said:

But Disco isnt exactly economical on fuel either and the 1 and 2 series are getting pretty old now.  Shogun doing Devon lanes rarely exceeds 20mpg, towing digger much less. It is far better at towing than the old disco though. I've already had turbo boost/limp mode  issues with the Shogun though  and I'm starting to loose confidence in it . What EV are you considering for log drops out of interest? Doesn't it make more sense to keep your Hilux for logs and towing and get an EV for personal/Liz use?

Liz does very few miles just for work. Worked it out last night at 1500 miles a year. My truck does around 5000 on average just for work. If we got an EV it would be that 5000 plus plenty of the domestic journeys which we currently do in Liz's car. Could probably keep the 4x4 miles below 2k per year if we make and effort to utilise an EV van.

 

Looking at the Maxus E-Deliver 3 drop sider. Not much about them yet but the panel van version has been going for a while and got pretty good feedback. Same HP and torque as my Hilux but loads lighter so should find log deliveries a doddle https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans-pickups/news/2021/maxus-electric-vans-future-plans-at-2021-cv-show/

[openspaceman]

2 hours ago, difflock said:

A LPG/gas conversion then?

12 years ago my LR 110 V8 did about 14MPG on LPG and 19 on Petrol. It paid me as I seldom traveled more than 40 miles round trip and the servicing costs were a fraction of a 200 or 300tdi for about the same performance. The difference in capital cost was vast which is what made it affordable.

 

Nowadays all but one of the forecourts I used have had the lpg pump removed.

[difflock]

Now could well be the time to buy a thirsty brute of a V8 petrol "Jeep", with fingers well crossed,  and I also  suspect LPG must be attracting fresh interest, IF it is still available at fuel stations?

Marcus

[Stere]

Loads of lpg cars about in france?

 

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[openspaceman]

3 hours ago, difflock said:

Now could well be the time to buy a thirsty brute of a V8 petrol "Jeep", with fingers well crossed,  and I also  suspect LPG must be attracting fresh interest, IF it is still available at fuel stations?

Marcus

They don't dye lpg so get a bulk supply for your hot air balloon

[difflock]

21 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

They don't dye lpg so get a bulk supply for your hot air balloon

Cough cough!

Shoosh you.

OSM.

Can you draw off the liquid LPG though? 

Which you need to do to fill another tank.

Cos a God fearing Free P neighbour tried running a dual fuel Vauxhall off the bulk tank for the grain dryer, and ran into this problem, the tank was top tapped, so he only ever got a sniff of gas in the tank.

 

 

[openspaceman]

33 minutes ago, difflock said:

Can you draw off the liquid LPG though? 

Which you need to do to fill another tank.

Cos a God fearing Free P neighbour tried running a dual fuel Vauxhall off the bulk tank for the grain dryer, and ran into this problem, the tank was top tapped, so he only ever got a sniff of gas in the tank.

Yes I think the balloon tanks are liquid feed, this is why the coils are above the flame.

 

Vehicle tanks have a ball valve in them to prevent the tanks filling over 70% because as LPG gets hot it expands and would rupture a tank if no space for vapour so you do need an LPG pump to fill it safely. So the pump has to overcome the back pressure from this valve before it can pass the liquid.

 

Domestic gas supplies are top take off and vapour so no good for filling a vehicle.

 

 

Of course it is relatively easy to fill it from a 47kg bottle and the safety space is already built into that at the factory that fills them.

 

I have no idea what the bulk price of lpg is now, I did look into it when I converted my LR but the safety requirements meant it was not possible at home as my curtilage is too small.

 

In the late 90s there was a glut of lpg as the result of something that happened during refining for petrol and diesel  but as with most things as a nation it was decided we were better not doing refining but let other countries do it for us while we lay back and rested on the financial sectors "hidden" exports to pay for it.