only getting £40 per day

[Stephen Blair]

when u was a kid, every summer night and weekend was pretty much splitting logs or helping dad with trees anyway, so when i was 16 all od a sudden i was getting £30 a week for the pleasure of working, i only started to get annoyed when i realised lazy folk got paid the same as grafters in a company:thumbdown:i bit my tongue for over a year but then just lost it one day:blushing:that happened a lot with me when i was younger, hence the self employment route:biggrin:

[Billy]

There is a difference between someone working for a living wage, looking for around the 70quid/day mark, and someone on work placement from college. The lad who comes with us on placement gets 40 a day, but fuel saw and ppe is all supplied. When his scooter breaks down, he is picked up from home and dropped off at night. We have him dragging brash, raking, fetching, carrying and so on, not to put him in his place, but its cheaper for him to fetch and carry than one of us. He gets to cut logs, when there is time to supervise him adequately, and fell trees. We are quite strict with him, we dont mince our words, but this is because we feel he has the potential to be good in the future. So I think 40quid a day for placement is about right.

 

This is something that gets up my nose. "i've/he's got a family house, van bla bla bla". I've always ended up working with my own tools fuel etc one way or another and driven to site or contractors house in my van or tipper etc. So i got the tools,PPE, petrol, vehicle, diesel, tax insurance etc costs. the family and house is a peronsal choice, they will take your money its a decision everyone makes, well the former anyway. It seems quite unfair to me that many employers will see it fair to pay someone in their 40's of equal or less ability to a 18-20 year old considerably more money, purely because of their situation, pay should be decided purely on the individuals ability to carry out duties/what jobs they are capable of taking care of. This thread and the comments in the above post illustrate the imbalance perfectly, the only difference between these lads and a more senior career change type is age, and a 19 year old is generally way fitter than someone in their 40's, yet few members here would post the same replies to both these types of people concerning wages.

 

Anyway back to the thread. If you started working for him purely due to a college placement you can't really ask for more as he knows you need him, so your lucky to be on 40 in that respect, however if he seems like a sound bloke and you are more than half useful try having a chat with him RE mid-long term prospects and more money, if this isn't evident in his generally attitude towards you, you'll soon see if he's, going to let you grow or just wants to keep you down as cheap labourer. If i were you i'd want to get things so that he saw me as another worker rather than 'the placement kid' all the time you are just the placement guy your in a very weak position. Also using your own gear and fuel!!! On that wage is criminal your saw should 'break' next week or get borrowed by your uncle etc

But you wont get unless you ask, keep asking

[Billy]

Meant to add htis to tha tpost but couldn't. As SWB says above if you bite your tongue for too long it all just boils over and you end up 'asking' for more a little too directly and thats bad news, bes tto keep on top of things and politely put your views across before it gets ot this point.

[Frankie Lawrence]

I started a year and half maybe 2 years ago doing work experience once a week completely free, saturday and holidays for 20 quid. And of corse I did the dragging the rakeing the fueling etc etc and all the while hopin there was future employment and then I found an apprentership corse he was interested and decided to take me on but im still on 25 quid a day cs30 in a months time and until then I doubt I could get anymore money. When I started full time in June until about a week or 2 ago I was pissing my monney away like mad then relised this is going to be an exspencie year- starting driving lessons/insurance eventualy car tax- got to get my climbing kit and Since my first post on here I relised I had to stay in on the weekend work on the weekend etc.

 

Your lucky in my opinion 40 a day int bad one bit my not very experinced advice is to save a much because Ive relised how much I wish I had saved in the last 6 months.

 

good luck.

[Deni]

I had to do 80 hrs placement and got paid nothing, i wasnt expecting to be paid, also had to follow the Mog everywhere in my car using alot of fuel but was well worth it for the experience.

[Andy Collins]

This is something that gets up my nose. "i've/he's got a family house, van bla bla bla".

Sorry you've lost me totally, we are talking about a college work placement here, not full or even part-time work. Work placement does not even have to pay a penny, both my boys have been through the system recently. The payment is optional, ie if the employer feels you are worth a little extra, or if you're travelling to and from in your motor. If this was not the case the colleges would struggle to place the students with employers. Its all about work experience something many youngsters struggle to grasp. Once they step into the big wide world, are employed, regardless of age, they should be paid fair and square.

[skyhuck]

Billy I think you have rather an inconsiderate out look on things.

 

Yes having children is a personal choice, but is those children's taxes that will pay for our pensions and health care when we are old and buggered.

 

Years ago a working man would ask his boss for a pay rise upon the birth of a child, I don't see a problem with that.

[Luke Quenby]

this guy is teaching you a very valuable lesson that you wont understand or appreciate for a good few years, if i was 19 i would say he was a miserable sod, but i have run my own business now since 1999, i have seen guys come and go from 15-50, as the years go on i pay less and less and treat them more like staff than friends. simply because i have had it thrown back in my face for years, you have to earn respect, i was nieve enough to give it straight away. Any future staff will be on peace work just like me, my first day self emplyed in the woods i had a 120 mile round trip in my car, all my own kit and i made £15, i stuck it for 4 weeks and chucked it because i couldnt make any money and was out of my depth, i hated the boss and felt he should just give me more money, but why should he, he owed me nothing, i just couldnt deliver.

 

Get your head down, work harder than anyone else, and be your own man, dont let the other lads get you down or fall into the 'sit in the van as long as you can' squad. Be early, work late and say thank you, this is a very small industry that has got a lot smaller thanks to this wonderfull forum.

 

[Tom D]

My first job was £12 a day...i thought I was loaded LOL

 

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[Stephen Blair]

dam, i was just about to do that tom, nice one lol