Poll on two rope technique.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

On 02/02/2021 at 18:36, Joe Newton said:

As you're so fond of pointing out, this is a false dichotomy. 

I’m minded to agree....

 

But I’d also point out that the premise of the question, whilst an interesting and timely one, is inherently flawed and therefore guaranteed to return a flawed data set. 
 

Example - there’s no option for entering a response where the last tree you climbed involved no ropes or TiPs at all... 🙉

 

 

[Marc Lewis]

Both ends, old school.

On 3 strand agghhrrr[emoji34][emoji34]the twists and loops, bringing back nightmares

[Marc Lewis]

I’m a short rope guy, very often call for the ladder to get out or re anchor half way down.

Yeah i hate pulling loads of rope through.

[Marc Lewis]

Am i being stupid, how do you get to the poll??

[MattyF]

Can’t do polls from the app Marc you have to go through the normal site.

[MattyF]

On 03/02/2021 at 21:48, Spruce Pirate said:

 

Making climbers less agile, less competitive and slower will be part of the process to convert people to MEWP work, which is what they (HSE) really want anyway.

True , I don’t really care any more for climbing though.. this whole two rope crap has taken the last bit of enjoyment out of it for me on commercial sites, gone are the days you can take an aimed dive and a swing to get to your target area of the crown from the the other side of the tree , now it’s just some royal fuck on to traipse 80ms of rope through a canopy getting caught up on every thing and worrying about what it’s going to get caught on or leave you in a vulnerable non escapable position ....and really I have nothing to prove to myself or anyone else so if I’m honest a mewp makes the majority of jobs safer and easier so why not. 
It just saddens me now most sites and life in general is ran by idiots with risk assessments trying to justify there positions in life by making up and justifying what ever stupid idea that pops in to there head because they have a degree. 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

23 minutes ago, MattyF said:

True , I don’t really care any more for climbing though.. this whole two rope crap has taken the last bit of enjoyment out of it for me on commercial sites, gone are the days you can take an aimed dive and a swing to get to your target area of the crown from the the other side of the tree , now it’s just some royal **************** on to traipse 80ms of rope through a canopy getting caught up on every thing and worrying about what it’s going to get caught on or leave you in a vulnerable non escapable position ....and really I have nothing to prove to myself or anyone else so if I’m honest a mewp makes the majority of jobs safer and easier so why not. 
It just saddens me now most sites and life in general is ran by idiots with risk assessments trying to justify there positions in life by making up and justifying what ever stupid idea that pops in to there head because they have a degree. 

Yup, a ‘problem’ that cannot even be properly quantified and exampled has been ‘solved’ with a ‘solution’ which can be quantified and exampled, in many cases, to have made matters worse. 
 

Great job.... 👍🏻

[Paddy1000111]

I can see why HSE took the decision though. When reading through the statistics for falls from height in the arb industry for 16-17-18 (I can't find up to date info further than that) The deaths and injuries that occurred would/could have been prevented by having a second anchor which I imagine raised the question of "Why can't they use a second anchor" to which there isn't really a good answer for ascents/descents/moving around unless you're doing rigging where there is a high likeliness of the branch tipping up, going between your two anchors and taking you with it. I'd be curious as to how many of you regularly find yourself just using your one climb line with no other anchor such as a positional strop during cuts? 

 

I'm not saying two rope is a good thing, just that I can see why they questioned why we weren't using it. 

 

Arboricultural Association - HSE Fall from Height Incidents involving arborists

WWW.TREES.ORG.UK

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<p class= lead bold mb10 >This article contains brief examples of the falls from height reported to HSE under RIDDOR.</p> <p>All injured persons were arborists.</p> <h3...

 

[Khriss]

On 03/02/2021 at 21:31, Mark Bolam said:

I meant your single line with just a hitch and a hitchclimber?

 

Really hard to descend on just that.

 

Found out one morning 50’ up a pop when I’d forgotten to connect my Ropewrench.

 

I was very, very hungover.

 

Don't tell the HSE. 

Just been hung over,  up a largeish Poplar is enuff 😕 K

[Khriss]

Its the 1 in 1000 cut off (  1 in 10,000 for domestic incidents ) death rate for stop works and change the system or method, in our small industry compared to Construction, we flag up massively. K