Poll on two rope technique.

[Khriss]

@Rich Rule, was that fracture end in pic above or below the cut section you were craning off?  Was hollowness indicated in the cuts?  K

[Rich Rule]

That was the cut itself.  The wood above was considerably sound.  There was a bit of reactionary growth or something on the bark.  Just didn’t look right so I took the flip line off.

 

I sort of heard a pop, (maybe I felt it) and then felt my feet started moving a bit.  The bottom of the cut, split a bit IIRC but I only snapped a pic of the cut and not the picked piece.

 

The whole tree wasn’t in the best condition.

 

 

[Khriss]

Yup. I have climbed trees and thought ' that looks ok'  ( it wasnt) or ' that anchor will be fine' ( gets up and not too fine) or  ' fvvk thats a lot of shit coming out the cut' ( like you must have had a lot of- on  that tree)   then itz stop and have a rethink. 

 That bit is where i think a lot of climber injury n death occurs - the ' carry on'   point. 

Two blokes, one topping down a trunk, that fractured, ripped off a long shred that ragged his harness appart. Other guy climbed ( medium sized tree) that he had nearly finished dismantling- base of trunk collapsed crushing him ( he survived) looking back both are either forseeable or another method would have been better, both guys still ok and happened in last 8 years but i think the ' dunno there, stop an have a fag an a think' is the point where the y would have ended the day better.  K

 

( the second one was a Rail job and we still hearing abt it 😳) 

[Marc Lewis]

Can’t do polls from the app Marc you have to go through the normal site.

Thanks

[skyhuck]

9 hours ago, Paddy1000111 said:

I can see why HSE took the decision though. When reading through the statistics for falls from height in the arb industry for 16-17-18 (I can't find up to date info further than that) The deaths and injuries that occurred would/could have been prevented by having a second anchor which I imagine raised the question of "Why can't they use a second anchor" to which there isn't really a good answer for ascents/descents/moving around unless you're doing rigging where there is a high likeliness of the branch tipping up, going between your two anchors and taking you with it. I'd be curious as to how many of you regularly find yourself just using your one climb line with no other anchor such as a positional strop during cuts? 

 

I'm not saying two rope is a good thing, just that I can see why they questioned why we weren't using it. 

 

Arboricultural Association - HSE Fall from Height Incidents involving arborists

WWW.TREES.ORG.UK

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<p class= lead bold mb10 >This article contains brief examples of the falls from height reported to HSE under RIDDOR.</p> <p>All injured persons were arborists.</p> <h3...

 

And if we all drove at 5MPH we could probably eliminate road deaths.

[mtt.tr]

12 hours ago, MattyF said:

True , I don’t really care any more for climbing though.. this whole two rope crap has taken the last bit of enjoyment out of it for me on commercial sites, gone are the days you can take an aimed dive and a swing to get to your target area of the crown from the the other side of the tree , now it’s just some royal **************** on to traipse 80ms of rope through a canopy getting caught up on every thing and worrying about what it’s going to get caught on or leave you in a vulnerable non escapable position ....and really I have nothing to prove to myself or anyone else so if I’m honest a mewp makes the majority of jobs safer and easier so why not. 
It just saddens me now most sites and life in general is ran by idiots with risk assessments trying to justify there positions in life by making up and justifying what ever stupid idea that pops in to there head because they have a degree. 

 

i'll never quit swings, or grappling hook

[mtt.tr]

On 2/5/2021 at 11:00, AA Teccie (Paul) said:

The other issue here is that claiming HSE are trying to stop the industry climbing.

 

I don't believe this is the case at all but they are trying to make tree climbing safer, perhaps in a too simplistic way...but perhaps not.

 

With the development and increasing range of MEWPS / tree shears / grapple saws etc., and increasing pressure on justifying climbing, I can see "tree climbing" becoming more niche / specialists in the next 10 years, but not stopped.  

nearly all ready is, not many good youngs guys coming through mostly buzz nuts

Edited February 6, 2021 by mtt.tr

[Khriss]

12 minutes ago, mtt.tr said:

 

i'll never quit swings, or grappling hook

Grappling hooks the way forward. K

[Khriss]

24 minutes ago, skyhuck said:

And if we all drove at 5MPH we could probably eliminate road deaths.

You see thats not the issue,  its perceived risk and actual risk. You can still kill someone with a tractor doing 5mph. Looking where yr going is the start point. K

[skyhuck]

2 minutes ago, Khriss said:

You see thats not the issue,  its perceived risk and actual risk. You can still kill someone with a tractor doing 5mph. Looking where yr going is the start point. K

You are simply making the very same point I am.