Discovery 5 Commercial Rear Seats

[PeteB]

On 28/05/2020 at 09:49, doobin said:

Is the commercial tax less then??? I know I pay a damn sight more vehicle tax on my 1.3 scores van than I would on a car with the same engine!

As a 'commercial' you can get the vat back which amounts to a 20% discount. But as a commercial vehicle,  you have different speed limits too! I think your insurance is possibly dearer tha soc, dom and pleasure too!

[Stihllymok]

On 27/06/2020 at 15:58, Alycidon said:

My accountant tells me the the VW Amorak 4 door pick up is now taxed as a car due to the amount of luxury stuff its fitted with. leather, air con, auto,cruise,  not the sort of things you would usually find in a van.  The high end Izuzu has most of these as options so maybe that will also come under scrutiny.

 

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mmmmm be interested to evidence. amarok et al generally safe thus far due to having a "safeguarded" 1tonne payload AREA that cant be encroached onto by seats etc like Kombis..but theyll be taxing our go-nads at this rate to stop us re-producing.. ..."Greta Tax"

[Stihllymok]

On 27/06/2020 at 19:18, PeteB said:

As a 'commercial' you can get the vat back which amounts to a 20% discount. But as a commercial vehicle,  you have different speed limits too! I think your insurance is possibly dearer tha soc, dom and pleasure too!

Speed-limits depends on class of vehicle and rating. Not just that they are "commercial" for tax reasons.

The big point is that if a vehicle is rated as commercial therefore its "van tax" on BIK which on say an Amarok could be the difference of £500+ per month saving for an employee..

[PeteB]

5 hours ago, Stihllymok said:

Speed-limits depends on class of vehicle and rating. Not just that they are "commercial" for tax reasons.

The big point is that if a vehicle is rated as commercial therefore its "van tax" on BIK which on say an Amarok could be the difference of £500+ per month saving for an employee..

I got a speed awareness course recently for doing 60mph on a single carriageway A road in Lincolnshire.  The ticket was 60 in a 50, automatic camera, Ford Ranger crewcab. 

 

You have a good point on the BIK.

[openspaceman]

3 hours ago, PeteB said:

The ticket was 60 in a 50, automatic camera, Ford Ranger crewcab. 

So the ranger did not get the dual purpose category?

[PeteB]

Apparently not. 

 

Registered, taxed, insured as a commercial vehicle. I know someone who got a spec'ed up T5 Synchro/4motion van with 2nd row of seats for family use and despite being very sweet, is classed/registered as a van and commercial rule apply!

[Treewolf]

17 hours ago, PeteB said:

I got a speed awareness course recently for doing 60mph on a single carriageway A road in Lincolnshire.  The ticket was 60 in a 50, automatic camera, Ford Ranger crewcab. 

 

You have a good point on the BIK.

Unless a Ranger is over 2040kg unladen (which I don't know) or is the 4x2 variant rather than the 4x4, then it is a Dual Purpose vehicle and is subject to the same speed limits as a car. This suggests that either (a) you received an incorrect ticket which you should/could have contested, (b) you were actually in a 50mph limit, possibly without realising it, (c) you were towing a trailer, or (d) you don't have 4WD on your Ranger.

 

I suggest that (a) or (b) are probably the most likely.

[monkeybusiness]

Rangers (except for the smallest engine most basic one) are over 2040kg unladen (same as the Amarok) so are subject to lower speed limits than other pickups.

[openspaceman]

7 hours ago, Treewolf said:

Unless a Ranger is over 2040kg unladen (which I don't know) or is the 4x2 variant rather than the 4x4, then it is a Dual Purpose vehicle and is subject to the same speed limits as a car. This suggests that either (a) you received an incorrect ticket which you should/could have contested, (b) you were actually in a 50mph limit, possibly without realising it, (c) you were towing a trailer, or (d) you don't have 4WD on your Ranger.

 

I suggest that (a) or (b) are probably the most likely.

It's an interesting one, even though @monkeybusiness says it will be over 2040kg unladen (which I have long suspected for most modern diesel 4wd) I wonder how the speed camera database decides it is not dual purpose. As I remember the  V5 for my Land Rover said just PLG but it was dual purpose.

 

I had always thought you needed to trigger the speed limit for the road and then they clobbered you for the extra 10mph as well. A trailer on the back would nullify the dual purpose defence as he says. @PeteB is coy about whether a tachometer is fitted.

[monkeybusiness]

I’m pretty sure that many modern speed cameras will have anpr and automatically know the speed category of various vehicles. 
It is to do with Mass in Service (I think it’s called) on the V5.

Another reason to get a Navara - they are legally allowed to go as fast as possible!!!