Should a referendum on Scottish independence only include people living in Scotland?

[Baldbloke]

I havent been on arbtalk for a while 
and just today came across this thread.It makes for interesting reading thats for sure.
Any of you who know me by my previous posts know im pro independence but not at any cost.
Im not anti english or anti british,
i fought beside lads from all over the UK and were all the same when you avoid talking politics.
Where the game changes ,
in the forces,is with the rupherts(officers)
Usually stuck up,self entitled arrogant pricks born with a destinct superiority complex and a silver spoon up their fuckin arse,exactly the same as most tory Mps.
Given that Scotland has returned more Snp Mps to westminster means the thirst for independence has indeed increased.
Enough for a second referendum? Well that depends which way you look at the figures but figures can be squewed to suit anyones rhetoric so im not sold on the 81% claim by Hosie.
I agree with trigger on most of what he says on these pages im also pro independence,anti EU membership but we differ in the fact i vote Snp,i'll just add at this point that the Snp are by no means socialist the are pro capitalists who actually fit into the neo liberal model,the same as Labour under Tony Blair.
I vote Snp as i see them as a vehicle to independence and anyone who votes Snp knows that is their number one priority.
The last 2 elections have seen an upsurge in Snp votes and with it comes the undeniable democratic right of the scottish people to decide on our future.
Should the rest of the UK be allowed to vote on Scottish independence?
I dunno...
I think most english folk would say if they want to go  let them.
Most see us as dour faced fuckers who steal all the money and the rest of the UK would be better off without us anyway.
Some on here have looked to the past to justify independence but for me its more important to look to the future.
I believe we would be a wealthier nation,not wealthy just wealthier,than we are now if we had full control of our nation.
As for the once in a lifetime shite i think its exactly that- shite!
3 general elections in 5 fuckin years dictates that politics changes,peoples opinions change,priorities change so an election or refetendum csn always be justified in guaging the will of the people.
 
 

I’m interested that you’re pro independence, but anti EU. Personally I cannot understand the SNPs present stance suggesting they want to remain as an EU member while stating they need independence. Surely, the two ideals appear as opposites and contrary? This especially when the U.K. is on the cusp of its own independence from the EU.

What proportion of the SNP vote do you think follows your thinking?


I wouldn’t be anti independence if there was a viable plan in place that was open to adequate scrutiny to support it. However, I’m concerned the SNP ideals and rhetoric are based on emotions rather than common sense.

[Mull]

I wouldn’t be anti independence if there was a viable plan in place that was open to adequate scrutiny to support it. However, I’m concerned the SNP ideals and rhetoric are based on emotions rather than common sense.

Was there a viable plan in place when we voted out of Europe in 2016?

[trigger_andy]

1 minute ago, Mull said:

 

 

Was there a viable plan in place when we voted out of Europe in 2016?
 

 

 

Yes. 

[Baldbloke]

 

 

Was there a viable plan in place when we voted out of Europe in 2016?

 

 

To be honest, I’ve always resented the various treaties being signed off without public consultation, so have enough faith in our Tory representatives to see us right without a defined deal.

 

The SNP however.....

 

[Mull]

To be honest, I’ve always resented the various treaties being signed off without public consultation, so have enough faith in our representatives to see us right without a defined deal.

So your answer is basically ‘ if it suits my agenda I don’t care about a plan, because our reliable, conscientious hard working politicians will sort it all out’?

You’re an optimist with tunnel vision, good for you bud!

[Mark Bolam]

My view is if Scotland wants independence why should anyone stand in their way?

Of course the only people who should vote are Scots.

 

Is it a good idea for Scotland?

Possibly, possibly not.

Remember I’m from Northumberland, so have plenty of mates over the border.

 

My worry for them is that I think Sturgeon and her cronies are the least able people to run a piss-up in a distillery, let alone lead Scotland to a bright independent future.

I actually think she’s a dangerous, egotistical maniac who would paint her face blue and drag you back to the dark ages.

A true champion of the ‘working class’ i.e. people who don’t and won’t.

 

The SNP should get rid of that evil little bitch, get a good leader in and adopt some more moderate policies.

 

Support would rise massively.

 

[trigger_andy]

So your answer is basically ‘ if it suits my agenda I don’t care about a plan, because our reliable, conscientious hard working politicians will sort it all out’?

You’re an optimist with tunnel vision, good for you bud!

That’s not how I read it at all. It’s clear you always intended overlaying your own agenda on whatever answer he was going to give.

There was no ‘plan’ for the Brexit I Referendum. It was in,or out. Simple as. A huge majority of us still want the simple ‘out’ that we we offered in the referendum and then won.

You it seems have been blinded by the remoaner types they where in politics. But I’m sure you’ve noticed that they are few and far between now. They went against their constituents and paid the price.

You’re an optimist with tunnel vision, good for you bud!

[Mull]

My view is if Scotland wants independence why should anyone stand in their way?
Of course the only people who should vote are Scots.
 
Is it a good idea for Scotland?
Possibly, possibly not.
Remember I’m from Northumberland, so have plenty of mates over the border.
 
My worry for them is that I think Sturgeon and her cronies are the least able people to run a piss-up in a distillery, let alone lead Scotland to a bright independent future.
I actually think she’s a dangerous, egotistical maniac who would paint her face blue and drag you back to the dark ages.
A true champion of the ‘working class’ i.e. people who don’t and won’t.
 
The SNP should get rid of that evil little bitch, get a good leader in and adopt some more moderate policies.
 
Support would rise massively.
 

Shame really, probably your worst post on arbtalk Mark.

[Mull]

That’s not how I read it at all. It’s clear you always intended overlaying your own agenda on whatever answer he was going to give.

There was no ‘plan’ for the Brexit I Referendum. It was in,or out. Simple as. A huge majority of us still want the simple ‘out’ that we we offered in the referendum and then won.

You it seems have been blinded by the remoaner types they where in politics. But I’m sure you’ve noticed that they are few and far between now. They went against their constituents and paid the price.

You’re an optimist with tunnel vision, good for you bud!

Sorry, I can’t see how your post puts your argument any further forward.

[trigger_andy]

My view is if Scotland wants independence why should anyone stand in their way?
Of course the only people who should vote are Scots.
 
Is it a good idea for Scotland?
Possibly, possibly not.
Remember I’m from Northumberland, so have plenty of mates over the border.
 
My worry for them is that I think Sturgeon and her cronies are the least able people to run a piss-up in a distillery, let alone lead Scotland to a bright independent future.
I actually think she’s a dangerous, egotistical maniac who would paint her face blue and drag you back to the dark ages.
A true champion of the ‘working class’ i.e. people who don’t and won’t.
 
The SNP should get rid of that evil little bitch, get a good leader in and adopt some more moderate policies.
 
Support would rise massively.
 

Spot on! I think you’ve really summed up what’s happening in Scotland today.