Should a referendum on Scottish independence only include people living in Scotland?

[stihlmadasever]

52 minutes ago, Gimlet said:

Some Christmas reading for Mary Doll Kranky. I hope she studies it carefully:

 

Choose Your Poison: The SNP’s Currency Headache

WWW.THESE-ISLANDS.CO.UK

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In an important new paper, Sam Taylor explains how the SNP’s currency proposals overlook Scotland’s balance of payments...

 

Mark Carney has stated numerous times,

but it always seems to be a non news story,

that there is no reason why Scotland cant use its current sterling.

Baldbloke there are plenty of people like my father who have voted for Labour for generations but refused to back Corbyn,mostly because of the stance on Trident,who didnt vote in the GE simply because he refused to vote Snp or Greens.

Looking at the graphs the demographic that has seen the biggest turn is in the over 60's who once voted Labour but are now Snp.

There are 2 parties in Scotland now with a smattering of the greens,lib dems etc.

Holyrood is more diverse but id gamble in Labour losing a hellva lot more seats come next election.

What will be telli g is how those seats are divided amongst the tories and Snp

[Baldbloke]

Some Christmas reading for Mary Doll Kranky. I hope she studies it carefully:
 

Choose Your Poison: The SNP’s Currency Headache

WWW.THESE-ISLANDS.CO.UK

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In an important new paper, Sam Taylor explains how the SNP’s currency proposals overlook Scotland’s balance of payments...  

Very good summary. Trouble is, the bulk of those that vote SNP wouldn’t begin to understand the implications of a new untested currency, how the markets would rape it, and the effect it would most have on the base SNP voter. By then it would be too late.

“In both cases the endgame is the same: Scotland has a new currency which is worth less than sterling, and ordinary households pay the price. Imports and mortgages are more expensive, wages and state pensions are less valuable. The Government is saddled with an Annual Solidarity Payment denominated in pounds sterling. More competitive exports is scant consolation.

Anyone lucky enough to be mortgage-free and with significant assets denominated in pounds sterling (such as a private pension) would be quite comfortable. But the average homeowner, or the pensioner reliant on a state pension, would be very badly hurt.

This is a point worth remembering the next time someone tells you that Scottish independence is about achieving social justice. An independent Scotland is certainly possible – but it would come at an immense cost.”

“That from and after the Union the Coin shall be of the same standard and value throughout the United Kingdom as now in England…” (Act of Union, 1707)”

[Big J]

11 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Meh, time to move on J.

I agree, and I am. 

 

I don't see how me pointing out that both we and the Americans have pathalogical liars in office has got anything to do with being a sore loser. Corbyn was a terrible candidate. Labour could have won if they'd not persisted with this daft uber socialist agenda. It just doesn't cut the mustard with the British electorate. 

 

I simply object to elections which are reduced to popularity contests between untrustworthy and duplicitous individuals, trading personal insults and insisting they aren't held account for the promises they made the day before. All of this leaves me with very little faith in the objective value of democracy in this country. The candidates are often dispicable, the system corrupt and the electorate easily (and willingly?) mislead. 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2019 by Big J

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Big J said:

I agree, and I am. 

 

I don't see how me pointing out that both we and the Americans have pathalogical liars in office has got anything to do with being a sore loser. Corbyn was a terrible candidate. Labour could have won if they'd not persisted with this daft uber socialist agenda. It just doesn't cut the mustard with the British electorate. 

 

I simply object to elections which are reduced to popularity contests between untrustworthy and duplicitous, trading personal insults and insisting they aren't held account for the promises they made the day before. All of this leaves me with very little faith in the objective value of democracy in this country. The candidates are often dispicable, the system corrupt and the electorate easily (and willingly?) mislead. 

 

 

 

I really dont see why you have such an issue with BoJo. What has he actually done(whilst in office) that you find so terrible? What items on the Tories Manifesto do you find so despicable? I really dont get it. I know its trendy to hate the Tories but surely you dont buy into what the Luvies tell us? 

 

You may not like the politics of trading insults but I dont like the politics of who can offer more to the the lazy for free. But thats what the general population wants. You want to change politics? Then you need to change the mindset of the average man and woman in the UK: 

[donnk]

On 28/11/2019 at 23:01, agrimog said:

so, your willing to sucombe to the constant barage of lies and deceit we, as a nation has been fed for the last 300 years, or since the farsical so called union of parliaments, the first of the lies....the "great " union has only ever had one use for scotland, as a source of easy taxation  and to prop up the sweet homeland that surounds london, we are the only country in the world which has oil reserves, and food banks and child poverty, most of the oil revenue went into proping up the city of london and the home conties.....what did scotland get in return, to be guinea pigs for the poll tax,  come the elections on the 12thdec, we shall see what the feelings of the people of scotland are, till then its only theorys and polls, and funny how england has supported every other member of the great british comenwealth who saught independance, except for one, its cash cow

 

actually no. You dont have the oil its in the English north sea.

 

 

Scotland is a beggarly nation that has been a parasite to England for centuries, all you hear from jocks is how poor they are.

We should definitely allow you to sod off and go independent and of course you will not be able to use the English currency, print your own monopoly money. Let's not forget your share of the national debt, say 20% as there are not a lot of you frock wearers, thats £360 Billion sterling. Your annual pocket money is £33 bill a year from us so you dont need to be a rocket scientist to see how you are going to fare.

 

Probably best if you all just pipe down and say thanks a lot to every Englishman you meet.

 

 

[trigger_andy]

3 minutes ago, donnk said:

actually no. You dont have the oil its in the English north sea.

 

 

Scotland is a beggarly nation that has been a parasite to England for centuries, all you hear from jocks is how poor they are.

We should definitely allow you to sod off and go independent and of course you will not be able to use the English currency, print your own monopoly money. Let's not forget your share of the national debt, say 20% as there are not a lot of you frock wearers, thats £360 Billion sterling. Your annual pocket money is £33 bill a year from us so you dont need to be a rocket scientist to see how you are going to fare.

 

Probably best if you all just pipe down and say thanks a lot to every Englishman you meet.

 

 

Is that the fishing or oil boundary? 

 

Worth a read';

 

Did Westminster remove oil fields from Scottish waters in 1999 with rushed, undiscussed boundary changes, and if so will revelations about this help the pro-independence side in the referendum? - Quora

WWW.QUORA.COM

And do you think the only oil is in the North Sea?  

 

I also think you should be thankful you posted that on-line hiding behind your keyboard. 

 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2019 by trigger_andy

[trigger_andy]

You just have to look at this picture to see where the oil fields actually are in the North Sea. Most of the UK's Oil reserves are West and East of Shetland. The Brents, one of the two world Benchmarks for Oil is way up North. 

 

All England has is Gas.  

[Big J]

1 minute ago, trigger_andy said:

 

I really dont see why you have such an issue with BoJo. What has he actually done(whilst in office) that you find so terrible? What items on the Tories Manifesto do you find so despicable? I really dont get it. I know its trendy to hate the Tories but surely you dont buy into what the Luvies tell us? 

 

You may not like the politics of trading insults but I dont like the politics of who can offer more to the the lazy for free. But thats what the general population wants. You want to change politics? Then you need to change the mindset of the average man and woman in the UK: 

In principle, I don't think he's an awful person. He's just wholely unsuitable to be PM. All style, no substance. Has been demostrated to be a pathological liar, and is unwilling to subject himself to any kind of scrutiny. He's also a complete buffoon, and diminishes our standing internationally. He's also been proven to have mislead The Queen.

 

I object to the general Tory policy shift towards a hard Brexit. I agree that there shouldn't be a culture where it's acceptable give large chunks of wealth away to those unwilling to work for it. I do however draw the line at making it easy for the wealthiest to pay as little as possible. The gap between the tax legally owed by the richest individuals and corporations and the tax morally owed is huge. And before you raise it, yes I do have an accountant, and yes I do pay as little tax as I can legally get away with. I do not however have a surplus of millions of pounds come the end of January.

[Big J]

7 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

You just have to look at this picture to see where the oil fields actually are in the North Sea. Most of the UK's Oil reserves are West and East of Shetland. The Brents, one of the two world Benchmarks for Oil is way up North. 

 

All England has is Gas.  

Very interesting to see. 

 

I wouldn't dispute that Scotland has the reserves, but I'm not sure that they have the mindset to capitalise on them.

 

What would you say is the key difference between Norway and the UK in terms of the way they profit from their petrochemical reserves? The former has created an incredible amount of wealth whereas the latter has little to show from 45 years of exploration and extraction.

[Mr. Squirrel]

11 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

All England has is Gas.  

 

 

Donnk certainly has a lot of hot air ??