Should a referendum on Scottish independence only include people living in Scotland?

[adrian007]

I sat next to a scottish bloke at work for a year. He completely changed my opinion of how I felt about Scotland and scottish independence.

[trigger_andy]

Just now, adrian007 said:

I sat next to a scottish bloke at work for a year. He completely changed my opinion of how I felt about Scotland and scottish independence.

Care to expand? 

[mattyboy]

Of course it should only include people living in scotland! how would you feel if people who live in france voted in the uk general election?!

[Mull]

Spot on Andy 
Bit more water and a bit less whiskey maybe. 

Yeh, I think so. Although I think it might actually be the Buckie you mentioned earlier. [emoji3] I dont think SNP supporters drink anything else. [emoji6] 

Well well lads are you drowning your Scottish vote sorrows in Buckie tonight?
I suspect not.
Result was a bit unexpected for me tbh, snp peaked a few years ago, didn’t really think results would be so high this time.

To keep this thread on track, who else should vote on Scottish independence, apart from people living in Scotland?

[mattyboy]

34 minutes ago, Mull said:

 

 

 

Well well lads are you drowning your Scottish vote sorrows in Buckie tonight?
I suspect not.
Result was a bit unexpected for me tbh, snp peaked a few years ago, didn’t really think results would be so high this time.

To keep this thread on track, who else should vote on Scottish independence, apart from people living in Scotland?

Why would anyone else other than scots be entitled to vote in a scottish indy ref?? Cannot understand why any english, welsh or n. irish or other eu would be valid to have a say.

[Baldbloke]

Ok. One could argue that the General Election focused on Brexit. Because Scotland largely voted to Remain in the referendum, and the Tories were seen as the Brexit promoting party, the SNP were seen as the most viable party to vote for in order to back up the Remain sentiment shown by Scotland following the referendum.

The question is whether Scotland’s vote on a future referendum (now that Brexit is on the cards) will reflect a willingness to break up the Union, accept a hard border, austerity, and a new and unproven currency. This when the facts of how the SNP are to fund this independence is as yet unknown.

My understanding of the 48 Scottish seats won by the SNP equates to 43% of the Scottish electorate. That to me suggests that less than half of our voters want independence in spite of wanting to remain as a member of the EU. Otherwise, the proportion voting for the SNP should have been even higher.

 

Sturgeon has already allowed 16 year olds the vote. This without those youngsters having contributed tax or having any experience of earning a living. I’m just wondering what other tricks she may use to bolster her vote. Whether there is mileage in including Scots born in country, but living as expats elsewhere, or something else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mull]

Ok. One could argue that the General Election focused on Brexit. Because Scotland largely voted to Remain in the referendum, and the Tories were seen as the Brexit promoting party, the SNP were seen as the most viable party to vote for in order to back up the Remain sentiment shown by Scotland following the referendum.
The question is whether Scotland’s vote on a future referendum (now that Brexit is on the cards) will reflect a willingness to break up the Union, accept a hard border, austerity, and a new and unproven currency. This when the facts of how the SNP are to fund this independence is as yet unknown.
My understanding of the 48 Scottish seats won by the SNP equates to 43% of the Scottish electorate. That to me suggests that less than half of our voters want independence in spite of wanting to remain as a member of the EU. Otherwise, the proportion voting for the SNP should have been even higher.
 
Sturgeon has already allowed 16 year olds the vote. This without those youngsters having contributed tax or having any experience of earning a living. I’m just wondering what other tricks she may use to bolster her vote. Whether there is mileage in including Scots born in country or something else.
 
 
 
 
 

Could “ breaking up the union” be the the end of both( or at least bad for them) or good for both?

In fact, maybe don’t bother answering[emoji38]

[Mull]

Also, does contributing tax and working for a living make you a political economic expert?

[Baldbloke]

Also, does contributing tax and working for a living make you a political economic expert?

 

I’m no political expert, but at 60 I know who is selling a dud and who is more likely to do the least damage to the country.

My point on 16 year olds getting the vote is that I believe most are too easily manipulated by teachers, parents and emotion at that age.

Don’t get me wrong as I was working full time by 16, but I hadn’t much interest or knowledge of what the political parties stood for, or bothered about their manifestos at 16.

Sturgeon however, will be well aware that impressionable young minds are more easily swayed by ‘freedom’ bollocks than someone whose more cynical and wants to hear the detail rather than the rhetoric.

 

And to answer your question. While paying tax and working for a living might not make me a political expert, it must give me more say in how my tax is spent, over someone yet to contribute.

[trigger_andy]

10 hours ago, Mull said:

 

 

 

Well well lads are you drowning your Scottish vote sorrows in Buckie tonight?
I suspect not.
Result was a bit unexpected for me tbh, snp peaked a few years ago, didn’t really think results would be so high this time.

To keep this thread on track, who else should vote on Scottish independence, apart from people living in Scotland?

 

 

 

 

Nope, I'm less bothered than I thought I would be actually. With such a clear mandate from the Scottish people it means we seem to have a single voice. One of the biggest issues with Brexit was how fractured the population was/is atleast that was how the MP's tried to play it. In reality I think the Remoaner MP's just messed it up for the whole of the UK. Now we have such a huge majority in the Tory Party and all the Traitors have been kicked out we'll get Brexit done.

 

Now that Scotland seem to be almost entirely SNP and the Tories hanging on in where people actually generate the money in Scotland.  There seems to be a strong indication of a single will. Thats to either get an Independence vote, remain/re-join the EU or both. As with Brexit I fully support the will of the majority, even if it goes against my own personal wishes. I really cannot see how a whole country can now be held to ransom? Indi#1 was meant to be a once in a generation vote. But with Brexit I guess we have to reconsider. At least Indi#2 would either put Independence to bed for a long time or the people in Scotland genuinely want Independence this time and why should that not be honoured? 

 

 

Who should vote in a Scottish Indi referendum? 

 

1, My personal opinion (and this will piss a few off ) should be those born in Scotland. 

2, But in reality it should at the very least be British Passport Holders.

3, Absolutely no EU members!

 

The issue with having EU members vote is a two edged sword for the SNP. On one hand the EU citizens will of course vote to remain in the EU, but will they vote for an Independent Scotland away from the UK? Im not so sure? Having other British Passport Holders who either live or keep a holiday home in Scotland will also dilute the leave vote as of course the majority do not wish to see an independent Scotland.