Should a referendum on Scottish independence only include people living in Scotland?

[Stubby]

2 minutes ago, David Cropper said:

 

I've taken a shine to him recently, good responses well thought out and debated. This is almost back to the old Andy, not pleasant to witness I'm afraid.  Must be on the blob this week.

That must be it ! ?

[adrian007]

I sat next to a scottish bloke at work for a year. He completely changed my opinion of how I felt about Scotland and scottish independence.

[trigger_andy]

Just now, adrian007 said:

I sat next to a scottish bloke at work for a year. He completely changed my opinion of how I felt about Scotland and scottish independence.

Care to expand? 

[mattyboy]

Of course it should only include people living in scotland! how would you feel if people who live in france voted in the uk general election?!

[Mull]

Spot on Andy 
Bit more water and a bit less whiskey maybe. 

Yeh, I think so. Although I think it might actually be the Buckie you mentioned earlier. [emoji3] I dont think SNP supporters drink anything else. [emoji6] 

Well well lads are you drowning your Scottish vote sorrows in Buckie tonight?
I suspect not.
Result was a bit unexpected for me tbh, snp peaked a few years ago, didn’t really think results would be so high this time.

To keep this thread on track, who else should vote on Scottish independence, apart from people living in Scotland?

[mattyboy]

34 minutes ago, Mull said:

 

 

 

Well well lads are you drowning your Scottish vote sorrows in Buckie tonight?
I suspect not.
Result was a bit unexpected for me tbh, snp peaked a few years ago, didn’t really think results would be so high this time.

To keep this thread on track, who else should vote on Scottish independence, apart from people living in Scotland?

Why would anyone else other than scots be entitled to vote in a scottish indy ref?? Cannot understand why any english, welsh or n. irish or other eu would be valid to have a say.

[Baldbloke]

Ok. One could argue that the General Election focused on Brexit. Because Scotland largely voted to Remain in the referendum, and the Tories were seen as the Brexit promoting party, the SNP were seen as the most viable party to vote for in order to back up the Remain sentiment shown by Scotland following the referendum.

The question is whether Scotland’s vote on a future referendum (now that Brexit is on the cards) will reflect a willingness to break up the Union, accept a hard border, austerity, and a new and unproven currency. This when the facts of how the SNP are to fund this independence is as yet unknown.

My understanding of the 48 Scottish seats won by the SNP equates to 43% of the Scottish electorate. That to me suggests that less than half of our voters want independence in spite of wanting to remain as a member of the EU. Otherwise, the proportion voting for the SNP should have been even higher.

 

Sturgeon has already allowed 16 year olds the vote. This without those youngsters having contributed tax or having any experience of earning a living. I’m just wondering what other tricks she may use to bolster her vote. Whether there is mileage in including Scots born in country, but living as expats elsewhere, or something else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mull]

Ok. One could argue that the General Election focused on Brexit. Because Scotland largely voted to Remain in the referendum, and the Tories were seen as the Brexit promoting party, the SNP were seen as the most viable party to vote for in order to back up the Remain sentiment shown by Scotland following the referendum.
The question is whether Scotland’s vote on a future referendum (now that Brexit is on the cards) will reflect a willingness to break up the Union, accept a hard border, austerity, and a new and unproven currency. This when the facts of how the SNP are to fund this independence is as yet unknown.
My understanding of the 48 Scottish seats won by the SNP equates to 43% of the Scottish electorate. That to me suggests that less than half of our voters want independence in spite of wanting to remain as a member of the EU. Otherwise, the proportion voting for the SNP should have been even higher.
 
Sturgeon has already allowed 16 year olds the vote. This without those youngsters having contributed tax or having any experience of earning a living. I’m just wondering what other tricks she may use to bolster her vote. Whether there is mileage in including Scots born in country or something else.
 
 
 
 
 

Could “ breaking up the union” be the the end of both( or at least bad for them) or good for both?

In fact, maybe don’t bother answering[emoji38]

[Mull]

Also, does contributing tax and working for a living make you a political economic expert?

[Baldbloke]

Also, does contributing tax and working for a living make you a political economic expert?

 

I’m no political expert, but at 60 I know who is selling a dud and who is more likely to do the least damage to the country.

My point on 16 year olds getting the vote is that I believe most are too easily manipulated by teachers, parents and emotion at that age.

Don’t get me wrong as I was working full time by 16, but I hadn’t much interest or knowledge of what the political parties stood for, or bothered about their manifestos at 16.

Sturgeon however, will be well aware that impressionable young minds are more easily swayed by ‘freedom’ bollocks than someone whose more cynical and wants to hear the detail rather than the rhetoric.

 

And to answer your question. While paying tax and working for a living might not make me a political expert, it must give me more say in how my tax is spent, over someone yet to contribute.