Greenmech Evo 165d v first St6d

[dig-dug-dan]

11 minutes ago, PeteB said:

We have always done 25/26ho diesels and sold rooks abroad! Favourite in Spain for example. But, the UK buyers were fixated on having 35hp even performance increase was, for the most part, marginal. Now that Tier 5 looms, get used to it, buy petrol or pay more. Simple choices thrust on us all! We got stocks (at the moment) that will do our 150TD/QC160 range until next summer but we are producing the 165 now! It is a belter!

Is this a bloody eu regulation by chance?

[PeteB]

Most EU regs are driven by UK! They follow....

 

Go to California and they are worse!

[Ty Korrigan]

So are all current 35hp machines moving to a 25hp or will manufacturers keep flogging the 35 horse?

Or... are we going to see a mahoosive jump to 45hp+

 

Anyway...

 If the world is so rabid for greentech, why are there no suitable E85 engines out there?

Stuart

 

 

 

[Luckyeleven]

Isnt the large heavy fly-wheel and paddles to push chip in fact rather old hat tech? My Old dosko seems to have these and is as old as methuselah

[PeteB]

The 165 rotor was the result of an awful lot of testing and research. Some visitors to the factory have seen a few of the projects that we have got involved with. Some projects that would never be on the UK or European market too!

 

The general rule with diesel engines is that if they are over 25hp, they got to burn clean. One way is to downrate or detune so that they are under less load. The other way is fancy electronic aides and "after treatment", like DPF units. One solution adds weight and some cost - letting a 50hp unit run at 35, while the other just adds cost and complexity! This is an over simplification but more or less true.

 

I got told some years ago by the chap who does my MOT stuff that VOSA/DVLA are trying, along with the motor manufacturers, to get people to accept the DPF units on vehicles as 'service' items to be changed every couple of years!

[GA Groundcare]

1 hour ago, Luckyeleven said:

Isnt the large heavy fly-wheel and paddles to push chip in fact rather old hat tech? My Old dosko seems to have these and is as old as methuselah

Its more in the design of the heavier flywheel than just a heavy flywheel.

Take the 8" petrol Bearcat petrol chipper for example (or any of the larger Bearcat chippers).

Massive flywheel, supposed to be a 8" capacity, 20hp petrol engine. Relies on the flywheel inertia to keep going. End result is feed it more than  4" branch and once the  flywheel slows down it takes about three days to get back up to speed. There is obviously parameters and a carefully calculated engine hp / torque, pulley gearing size and flywheel weight to get right.  

Edited November 15, 2019 by GA Groundcare

[GA Groundcare]

11 hours ago, Ty Korrigan said:

So are all current 35hp machines moving to a 25hp or will manufacturers keep flogging the 35 horse?

Or... are we going to see a mahoosive jump to 45hp+

Don't quote us.... But in the diesel GreenMech range the following will probably happen.

 

Arborist / ArbTrak 150 34hp turbo diesel, Arborist / Arbtrak 200 45hp turbo diesel, SafeTrak will continue to be built until Summer 2020 or until they run out of stocked engines.

 

From that point on, the Arborist 150 will only be available in 25/26hp. An option that is already available and sold largely in Europe. The ArbTrak 150 may get discontinued due to the Evo 165 on tracks now available.

 

Arborist / ArbTrak 200,  and all SafeTrak / SureTrak models will go Tier V and have clean burn / DPF fitted. The price on those will be going up due to the cost of engines. That's across the board no matter what make of chipper you purchase.

 

The Evo models are already compliant so no change in that range.

 

As the Arborist 150 34hp already has a wet weight of 749kg, building it with clean burn /DPF will tip the scales over 750kg and it'll price itself out of the market to many. 

 

Seriously though, if anyone is thinking of changing a larger road tow or tracked machine in the next 6 months I would get on and get the wheels in motion. Things can be done down the finance route and money is pretty cheap at the moment. Financing a pre DPF 2019 / early 2020 SafeTrak 19-28 will probably be in the region of an outright purchase on a Tier 5 SafeTrak 19-28....  

 

Edited November 15, 2019 by GA Groundcare

[treevolution]

3 hours ago, GA Groundcare said:

Don't quote us.... But in the diesel GreenMech range the following will probably happen.

 

Arborist / ArbTrak 150 34hp turbo diesel, Arborist / Arbtrak 200 45hp turbo diesel, SafeTrak will continue to be built until Summer 2020 or until they run out of stocked engines.

 

From that point on, the Arborist 150 will only be available in 25/26hp. An option that is already available and sold largely in Europe. The ArbTrak 150 may get discontinued due to the Evo 165 on tracks now available.

 

Arborist / ArbTrak 200,  and all SafeTrak / SureTrak models will go Tier V and have clean burn / DPF fitted. The price on those will be going up due to the cost of engines. That's across the board no matter what make of chipper you purchase.

 

The Evo models are already compliant so no change in that range.

 

As the Arborist 150 34hp already has a wet weight of 749kg, building it with clean burn /DPF will tip the scales over 750kg and it'll price itself out of the market to many. 

 

Seriously though, if anyone is thinking of changing a larger road tow or tracked machine in the next 6 months I would get on and get the wheels in motion. Things can be done down the finance route and money is pretty cheap at the moment. Financing a pre DPF 2019 / early 2020 SafeTrak 19-28 will probably be in the region of an outright purchase on a Tier 5 SafeTrak 19-28....  

 

Will the quad chip also be discontinued once the stage 4 engines run out that are in stock.

[GA Groundcare]

3 hours ago, treevolution said:

Will the quad chip also be discontinued once the stage 4 engines run out that are in stock.

We have heard rumours of a MK3 Quad Chip. How far along that is, we don’t know. 

[PeteB]

7 hours ago, treevolution said:

Will the quad chip also be discontinued once the stage 4 engines run out that are in stock.

The Quad Chip with the 34hp will be produced until we either hit 2020 or run out ofthose engines. We then will have sorted out possibly 37hp petrol and 26hp diesel if that's what people will have.