Climate change anyone?

[openspaceman]

3 hours ago, Deafhead said:

I remember old Robertson nearly in tears as his dairy herd went at Loampits, remember the palaver dragging his mobile milking parlour around the countryside.

That was milking on a shoestring, the farm was hanging on by the skin of his teeth by the time he sold up. Poor old gent but he was cantankerous.

[openspaceman]

22 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

if the Product the Dairies are selling is at a point below the breakeven, or even at the breakeven cost then profit has to come from another source surely?

In the context of what's been said about sugar beet and milk down the drain  this happens some years, and you cannot switch off milk from a high yielding cow, Same with throwing over quota fish overboard. Similarly you cannot expect a farmer to stop producing beet. This is why I said farming is volatile which is why support is used. Also think how taxation has an effect on a person who's income varies greatly from year to year. A sole trader is only allowed a limited amount of leeway  by the taxman if they have a bumper year but if they have a year when profit dips below the tax threshold?

 

Yes I am sure a lot of farms depend on subsidy.

[trigger_andy]

Just now, openspaceman said:

In the context of what's been said about sugar beet and milk down the drain  this happens some years, and you cannot switch off milk from a high yielding cow, Same with throwing over quota fish overboard. Similarly you cannot expect a farmer to stop producing beet. This is why I said farming is volatile which is why support is used. Also think how taxation has an effect on a person who's income varies greatly from year to year. A sole trader is only allowed a limited amount of leeway  by the taxman if they have a bumper year but if they have a year when profit dips below the tax threshold?

 

Yes I am sure a lot of farms depend on subsidy.

I understand what you're saying. But if milk is consistently sold at cost or just below cost without pouring any away on a good day then the profit has to come from somewhere else surely? 

[openspaceman]

10 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

I understand what you're saying. But if milk is consistently sold at cost or just below cost without pouring any away on a good day then the profit has to come from somewhere else surely? 

Yes the bloke either gets income from outside or goes bankrupt I suppose. Many big farms will dip into loss some years and make it up other years, their accountants will be able to carry money over without the taxman getting to it to tide them over, a small farmer won't be able to so could end up in supertax one year and none the other.

 

We can see even with subsidy it's not sustainable hence less dairy farming and imported milk.

[openspaceman]

What I should say is a lot of the problem stems from when the milk marketing board was  removed, farmer's set up a co-operative called milkmarque to combat the power of the supermarkets but it was ruled a cartel by either the EU or our own monopolies' rules, and that was a dreadful shame in my eyes.

[Haironyourchest]

Don't worry fellers, the Great Reset is going to finally sort out all these problems. No more meat, no more overproduction, and no more waste. And no more fish, by the sound of it. Just heard the EU has cut 2021 quotas to 25% of 2020 quotas die to overfishing. Don't know if the UK will follow suit but would expect...

 

 

[trigger_andy]

3 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

Don't worry fellers, the Great Reset is going to finally sort out all these problems. No more meat, no more overproduction, and no more waste. And no more fish, by the sound of it. Just heard the EU has cut 2021 quotas to 25% of 2020 quotas die to overfishing. Don't know if the UK will follow suit but would expect...

 

 

Thats clearly nonsense.

 

But Its nonsense Id personally like to see. Imagine how many meat eaters there would be if they had to raise and gut their own beasts and foul? I happily do both, as many do here. I have the land (just) to support all my own meat production if it came to it. 

 

Id love a great reset. Its a pipe dream though. But if its real can it come soon Im getting a bot long in the tooth. 

[eggsarascal]

55 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Thats clearly nonsense.

 

But Its nonsense Id personally like to see. Imagine how many meat eaters there would be if they had to raise and gut their own beasts and foul? I happily do both, as many do here. I have the land (just) to support all my own meat production if it came to it. 

 

Id love a great reset. Its a pipe dream though. But if its real can it come soon Im getting a bot long in the tooth. 

I don't mind gutting my own fowl but I draw a line at gutting my own foul.

[trigger_andy]

Just now, eggsarascal said:

I don't mind gutting my own fowl but I draw a line at gutting my own foul.

Fair doo's. 

[Macpherson]

26 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Id love a great reset

I haven't read any of this thread as I couldn't be bothered with the general mind feck that's associated with all the usual opposing views, but..

 

To use the words ' great reset ' as the world seems to accepting to describe the ambitions of the megalomaniac criminals who are undoubtedly working hard to gain global control at any expense with the main target of they're attack on humanity being firstly to make em sick, secondly feck with they're minds and thirdly to fleece them of everything.. something that's only become possible in recent years due to the digital invasion ....Is clearly a gross exaggeration.😁

 

This type of language is certainly being used to frighten the unaware by using words and phrasing usually used to describe geological time and catastrophic events ffs...

It's generally becoming accepted that the last great reset was the Younger Dryas 12800 years ago when an object struck the Greenland ice shelf.

 

Traditional science, set in bedrock to most folk.. the unshakeable foundations of every load of rubbish that they try to sell us, which for some reason folk seem to trust unquestionally  as a ' thing ' and which has, since it's inception or perhaps more accurately it's ' hijacking ' has been able to get away with just about any old rubbish that they spout in the name of profit and control.

 

Cheers