Timberwolf shares ‘all the facts’ around Stage V legislation with new campaign

[inthewoods]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

One of the main issues for petrol engines on plant in the UK is the law regarding transportation of petrol. It's only supposed to be 2x5l cans in your vehicle and no more. 

 

 

 

 

My understanding (info from my insurance company) was that you can carry up to 30 litres of petrol in a work vehicle without it being an issue or require any further hazard control. 

[Big J]

1 minute ago, inthewoods said:

My understanding (info from my insurance company) was that you can carry up to 30 litres of petrol in a work vehicle without it being an issue or require any further hazard control. 

That's good to know, but considering how inefficient petrols are, that's a day's work with my forwarder. 

 

So 30x £1.20 is £36, versus 20 litres of red diesel which is £13. Almost tripling my daily costs. On my next job, where I reckon I'll be on site for 60 odd days, it'd cost me an extra £1380, plus the hassle of having to go to the petrol station every day. Also, in summer, I tend to stay on site, so 100l of diesel brought with me would last all week. Not possible with petrol.

[Mick Dempsey]

Just don’t do this and you’ll be ok.

 

 

Edited December 21, 2018 by Mick Dempsey

[dan494]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

That's good to know, but considering how inefficient petrols are, that's a day's work with my forwarder. 

 

So 30x £1.20 is £36, versus 20 litres of red diesel which is £13. Almost tripling my daily costs. On my next job, where I reckon I'll be on site for 60 odd days, it'd cost me an extra £1380, plus the hassle of having to go to the petrol station every day. Also, in summer, I tend to stay on site, so 100l of diesel brought with me would last all week. Not possible with petrol.

Are diesels on big machines really that much better at hours per gallon? My chipper is no worse than a diesel 

[Big J]

13 minutes ago, dan494 said:

Are diesels on big machines really that much better at hours per gallon? My chipper is no worse than a diesel 

They aren't good. 

 

The Logmaster LM2 sawmill that I had with the 38hp V twin would quite easily use 25 litres of petrol on a standard day's cutting. 30 on a long day. 

 

I replaced that with the Trakmet TTS800 sawmill running it off a 50KVA Perkins generator. It used 3 litres per machine hour, and you struggled to do more than 6 machine hours a day when you included the stacking, loading the log deck and everything else. And that sawmill had a 30kw/40hp main motor.

 

So despite increasing my cutting capacity, cutting speed and adding additional tools (more hydraulics, hydraulic log deck too) I reduced my fuel bill from £31-38 a day to £11-12.

[dan494]

That's obviously worth the switch. Don't know if it's the same petrol engine though as I went from 35hp diesel Kubota to 37hp petrol and haven't noticed extra fuel use. Plus I use pump fuel as nowhere to store red so the petrol is cheaper, plus the chipper is £2k cheaper than the diesel so makes sense 

[woody paul]

28 minutes ago, dan494 said:

Are diesels on big machines really that much better at hours per gallon? My chipper is no worse than a diesel 

If you can not feed them quick enough big chippers are less economic than any small ones. 

[tim361]

I bought a GM 150p last year. The diesel version didn’t make sense for me. The nearest garage selling red is a 15 minute drive away, and the machine was another £2-3000 more. That pays for a lot of petrol to get to the same point. 

Maybe they don’t make sense for the big guys but for me I probably average a gallon of petrol a day, So the extra £2-3 pounds I’m spending on petrol a day doesn’t effect me. 

[Ty Korrigan]

On 21/12/2018 at 20:41, dan494 said:

That's obviously worth the switch. Don't know if it's the same petrol engine though as I went from 35hp diesel Kubota to 37hp petrol and haven't noticed extra fuel use. Plus I use pump fuel as nowhere to store red so the petrol is cheaper, plus the chipper is £2k cheaper than the diesel so makes sense 

Just to add my pennyworth.

 I've kept a record, from new of hours and fuel bought. 

Chipper is a GM150P 37hp efi

The average fuel consumption is 4.5litres per hour.

Perhaps 1litre above the 33hp turbo deezle Quadchip.

The average cost per day, 1hr chipping, is around €2 more than using white deezle. I can't stock red as I have no yard and operate from a small garage at home. Besides, French red stinks like a sulphurous volcano's fart and I am 100m from a petrol station.

  Stuart

[Big J]

3 minutes ago, Ty Korrigan said:

Just to add my pennyworth.

 I've kept a record, from new of hours and fuel bought. 

Chipper is a GM150P 37hp efi

The average fuel consumption is 4.5litres per hour.

Perhaps 1litre above the 33hp turbo deezle Quadchip.

The average cost per day, 1hr chipping, is around €2 more than using white deezle. I can't stock red as I have no yard and operate from a small garage at home. Besides, French red stinks like a sulphurous volcano's fart and I am 100m from a petrol station.

  Stuart

That's high fuel consumption. 

 

I work my forwarder a bit harder now than when I first got it (just have it at higher revs) and my 44hp turbo diesel uses 2-2.5 litres per hour.