How can we improve stove safety even further?

[Woodworks]

On 15/11/2018 at 18:47, Stubby said:

Mine is a " self install "  I sweep it my self once a year ( no cert )  It is a Burley Holleywell . Works perfectly . 6" liner inside a 7,5" clay liner with vermiculite beads in any gaps . The liner is the correct way up . there is a cowl on the top of the pot . It draws very well  and has given no problems in 8 years or so . Just replaced the side cheeks with new vermiculite board .  Am I illegal ? 

Dont blame you. I did ours as well. Folks had some pros in and it was a pretty shoddy instal and cost a bomb. Terrible installation of the return plate and the old classic fire cement on the flue falling out after a couple of burns. 

 

Just because someone has a ticket is no guarantee of a quality job just some come back if there is a problem.

[Alycidon]

On 22/11/2018 at 16:34, BowlandStoves said:

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Maybe even evidence of regular maintenance would offer more support in the event that you have to claim?

In the event of a liner claim that is a requirement,  yet who keeps sweeping certificates !!.  Mind you using Pouj flue parts we dont get warranty issues.

 

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[BowlandStoves]

Rightly or wrongly I can see us moving towards an annual check up system in the name of "health and safety". The fact it will raise extra money for the government and create a few more jobs might just be a coincidence cough cough

[aesmith]

On 29/11/2018 at 09:50, BowlandStoves said:

Rightly or wrongly I can see us moving towards an annual check up system in the name of "health and safety". The fact it will raise extra money for the government and create a few more jobs might just be a coincidence cough cough

Where have you heard this?   Aside from your own campaigning here I haven't seen any actual indication that anyone sees a problem.   Stoves don't even warrant a mention in fire statistics, being lumped in with "space heating appliances".  Insurance companies are not interested as discussed previously.  Even when we were renting our Landlord Insurance showed no interest, although they made some conditions about electrics which you wouldn't see in normal household policy.

 

No other services are subject to mandatory annual inspection, not gas, electricity, oil fired heating.  So where is the suggestion that stoves are to be singled out coming from?

 

Even the arguments in this thread are contradictory.  Mandatory professional installation - but you've both mentioned seeing dangerous installs by HETAS qualified outfits.  Mandatory inspection - the example at the start of this thread was a stove which HAD been inspected.

 

Ironically if it goes this way it may well result in less business for HETAS and for people like yourself.  Suppose stoves are branded dangerous devices that need expensive profession attention, mandatory annual inspections, certificates and all the other stuff you're suggesting.  How many potential customers will be lost as they'll choose to keep their open fire or use gas or oil fired appliances instead? 

 

[Stubby]

11 minutes ago, aesmith said:

Where have you heard this?   Aside from your own campaigning here I haven't seen any actual indication that anyone sees a problem.   Stoves don't even warrant a mention in fire statistics, being lumped in with "space heating appliances".  Insurance companies are not interested as discussed previously.  Even when we were renting our Landlord Insurance showed no interest, although they made some conditions about electrics which you wouldn't see in normal household policy.

 

No other services are subject to mandatory annual inspection, not gas, electricity, oil fired heating.  So where is the suggestion that stoves are to be singled out coming from?

 

Even the arguments in this thread are contradictory.  Mandatory professional installation - but you've both mentioned seeing dangerous installs by HETAS qualified outfits.  Mandatory inspection - the example at the start of this thread was a stove which HAD been inspected.

 

Ironically if it goes this way it may well result in less business for HETAS and for people like yourself.  Suppose stoves are branded dangerous devices that need expensive profession attention, mandatory annual inspections, certificates and all the other stuff you're suggesting.  How many potential customers will be lost as they'll choose to keep their open fire or use gas or oil fired appliances instead? 

 

Exactly .

[BowlandStoves]

I am not "campaigning" and am not a fan of lots of bureaucracy but everything else seems to be going down that route - all under the guise of helping when really just bringing in more and more money for the authorities.

[Gary Prentice]

On 15/11/2018 at 13:09, Rob_the_Sparky said:

I'm amazed how often photographers taken photos showing wood stacked up around wood burners.  For example:

 https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/michael-goves-stove-ban-is-a-direct-attack-on-country-life/ 

and even worse:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/12170394/Why-my-wood-burning-stove-will-be-the-death-of-me.html

 

Little wonder you get people doing this if the main stream press uses photos like this.  Particularly the second one...

 

What could possibly go wrong? 

[Gary Prentice]

On 15/11/2018 at 18:47, Stubby said:

 Am I illegal ? 

Don't know. Will you have to leave if Brexit is enacted? 

[BowlandStoves]

Speaking of Brexit, I presume the UK will likely replicate EU regs on stoves and it should just be business as normal. However, what is normal in this day and age with the government in a complete mess