Transition to self employed (wages etc)

[Ian C]

Do you mean "make clear"?
I know several companies who will charge clients £200+ per day for staff who are paid £80 subbing.
Clear enough?
[emoji12]

That’s called business! A grarage charged 45 pounds an hour, what do you think they pay a Machanic? Some has to be back in to running things or are you one of these that thinks trucks and machines run for free?

[Steve Bullman]

15 minutes ago, Gary Prentice said:

Nail and head.

 

The whole industry needs to work towards public recognition as a profession.

You've seen how a lot of the industry act right?

[Rough Hewn]

Nail and head.
 
The whole industry needs to work towards public recognition as a profession.

Starts with self respect.

[ant0512]

Come work for us:)

[Gary Prentice]

Just now, Steve Bullman said:

You've seen how a lot of the industry act right?

I have!

But until we raise the profile of the industry, the public largely will not recognise the bad apples and all that is wrong.

 

I can always hope 

[Steve Bullman]

Just now, Gary Prentice said:

I have!

But until we raise the profile of the industry, the public largely will not recognise the bad apples and all that is wrong.

 

I can always hope 

never gonna change mate   

[Tom D]

As of today I have 8 subs working, they are on a variety of rates from about 70 to 200 / day. The £200 guy comes with a 3.5 ton van and can run a site, the others vary in experience and are paid accordingly. I think the real cause of low wages and wage stagnation is the explosion in arborists in the last 10 years. When I started out there were just a few firms in the area, we all knew who each other was. Now I have lost count, I see vans and chippers every day, no Idea who they are or where they work from, but they are out there.

This has had 2 effects on the industry, the first is that there are so many guys out there looking for work that wages have been driven down or stagnated, the second is that there are so many firms out there that prices on jobs are being driven down or have stagnated. I would not be advising any one to get in to tree work at the moment, well not for the money anyway. It is however a great job, no two trees are the same and being outdoors appeals to a lot of people. being a plummer may well pay a lot better but would you want to do it? 

 

I have to say I agree with Steve, the standing of the industry will unfortunately never change. Sad though it is...

 

 

[Rough Hewn]

never gonna change mate [emoji4]  

It has and it will.
Look back 25 years, a 3 day course to be a climber.
Now minimum 6 weeks.
It just happens so painfully slowly.

[Gary Prentice]

5 minutes ago, Steve Bullman said:

never gonna change mate   

So there's no point creating professional looking websites and spending time and effort in marketing and PR? 

 

Come on Steve, even if the current practitioners don't particularly benefitit it's got to start somewhere. The industry is moving forward at every level dramatically and doesn't deserve the 'paddy and his ladder' view held by a large percentage of the public. Should we give up before we start?

[Mark Bolam]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtDvmV4zr-Q