7.5 ton iveco

[openspaceman]

21 minutes ago, Justme said:

Like this

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fifth-Wheel-Mini-Artic-Gooseneck-Plant-Trailer-Up-to-5300KG-Gross-Weight-on-B-E/112774083771?epid=2083349803&hash=item1a41dbf4bb:g:RwIAAOSwQN5aaPaK

 

I think this is the same arrangement as a Dutch firm I looked at for my old job where we had a carlton 7018 to move around. I liked it because the coupling could be covered to make the grafter a flatbed when not towing. At the time the coupling was not homologated for UK.

 

2 minutes ago, Justme said:

Any weight that is transferred onto the vehicle is NOT trailer weight.

 

If stopped they do not uncouple you. They weigh each axle.

 

So the 100kg will be on the rear vehicle axle not the trailer axle.

Thanks for that.

[Justme]

1 minute ago, openspaceman said:

I think this is the same arrangement as a Dutch firm I looked at for my old job where we had a carlton 7018 to move around. I liked it because the coupling could be covered to make the grafter a flatbed when not towing. At the time the coupling was not homologated for UK.

 

Thanks for that.

I would guess that as the Eu regs approve it where it is made it has to be accepted here.

[openspaceman]

1 minute ago, Justme said:

I would guess that as the Eu regs approve it where it is made it has to be accepted here.

That's what I thought but 'phoned the Dutch company and they said it would need to go through some sort of type approval

[Justme]

2 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

That's what I thought but 'phoned the Dutch company and they said it would need to go through some sort of type approval

Perhaps they now get IVA testing done, but thats for trailers not fixings.

[Daniël Bos]

In the Netherlands the rules are not the same.

The way the gtw of  dedicated B+E artic is determined involves multiplying the maximum axle load of the rear axle, so what they do is stick a jeep dana axle under an iveco getting combination with a train weight of up to 16t...

[donnk]

9 hours ago, Justme said:

Any weight that is transferred onto the vehicle is NOT trailer weight.

 

If stopped they do not uncouple you. They weigh each axle.

 

So the 100kg will be on the rear vehicle axle not the trailer axle.

 

If the vehicle has a 3500kg MAM & the trailer is plated to 3500kg then a post 19-01-2013 BE is ok.

 

The vehicle could weigh 1900kg.

The "load" from the trailer be 1500kg.

The trailer axles weight be 3500kg but with a disconnected weight of 5000kg.

nope.

 

rear axle limit on 7.2 daily is 6 tons. downplated its a 3.5ton vehicle.

 

Again you confuse the two. 

 

you cannot put 6 ton on the downplated solo tug. you CAN put 5 ton on the rear axle towing a trailer whilst observing the plated train weight as there is no trailer weight limit on B+E.

 

B+E is allways a better option than C1+E if you have an old licence.

 

The only hassle is obtaining the right downplated tug for your application, but there are many out there from 4 tons upto 12 tons payload. All without the hassle of C1+E.

 

 

[donnk]

10 hours ago, Justme said:

A landrover does NOT have a MAM of 7000kg.

MAM & GTW are not the same.

err yes it does.

 

And according to the Gov they are the same.

 

I think you are splitting hairs.

 

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained

 

 

[josharb87]

Donk,

 

MAM vehicle OR trailer

 

GTW or GCW vehicle, vehicles load, trailer and trailers load all combined.

 

the typical landrover (not all) has a MAM of 3,5t and GTW of 7t

the LR on its own cannot weigh 7t

 

 

from the link you provided:

 

[Justme]

2 hours ago, donnk said:

nope.

 

rear axle limit on 7.2 daily is 6 tons. downplated its a 3.5ton vehicle.

 

Again you confuse the two. 

 

you cannot put 6 ton on the downplated solo tug. you CAN put 5 ton on the rear axle towing a trailer whilst observing the plated train weight as there is no trailer weight limit on B+E.

 

B+E is allways a better option than C1+E if you have an old licence.

 

The only hassle is obtaining the right downplated tug for your application, but there are many out there from 4 tons upto 12 tons payload. All without the hassle of C1+E.

 

 

Not sure why you think what I put is wrong as it does not contradict what you have put.

 

Edit to add.

The weight applied to the rear axle must keep the total weigh of the tug within it's Mam. In your case it won't.

Edited February 6, 2018 by Justme

[Justme]

1 hour ago, donnk said:

err yes it does.

 

And according to the Gov they are the same.

 

I think you are splitting hairs.

 

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained

 

 

As posted above MAM is not GTW which is now called GCW.

Mam is just the max the vehicle and load can weigh.

GCW is the max the combined vehicle and trailer can weigh.

MAM Maximum Authorised Mass

GTW Gross Train Weight

GCW Gross Combined Weight.

Edited February 6, 2018 by Justme